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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:40 PM
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Dean foreign policy speech on Cspan right now
just starting.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 11:51 PM
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1. Excellent
A great policy statement. I'm very impressed with Governor Dean.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:02 AM
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2. I am blown away by this speech. Just perfect!
Gawd, this man is good. <Ok, I am little biased>
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:12 AM
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5. Are we watching the same speech?
First, he's lifted Clark's plan. Second, he's so nervous, he fumbling and bumbling. This speech displays that he is not ready to assume the role of Commander in Chief.

He keeps referring to the Soviet Union. He's doing a very poor job of reading his own speech. I'm sure it's his speech because he keeps saying, Soviet Union.

When he went off on a rif about islam and took his eyes off the paper, he obviously had lost his place when he went back to the paper.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:45 AM
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12. Just can't refrain from pissing all over any positive Dean thread
can ya?
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:33 PM
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15. No
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 11:37 PM by Nicholas_J
His first Foreign Affairs Speech at CFR was so closely a rip off of Kerrys Speech six month earlier that all it takes is lining them up side by side and noting that paragraph by paragraph, the subjects in eacn one are exactly the same aas Kerry's.

Deans flip flops on Iraq are too funny to be beleived it the danfers involved were not so serious


Yet, Dean says capture of Saddam has not made America safer:

“The capture of Saddam has not made America safer.”

Claims he never said Saddam was a danger to US …

“I never said Saddam was a danger to the United States. Ever. Saddam was a regional danger. I believed that he had weapons of mass destruction. I believe we could have controlled him. I believed that the proper way to remove him should he need to be removed was through the United Nations and I never wavered from that.” Fox News Channel, 12/10/2003

“There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies.” CBS Face the Nation, 9/29/2002

Dean did not know whether Iraqi people were better off without Saddam

“We don't know whether in the long run the Iraqi people are better off. And the most important thing is, we don't know whether we're better off.” Meet the Press, 6/22/2003



“Anyone who believes in the importance of limiting the spread of weapons of mass killing, the value of democracy, and the centrality of human rights must agree that Saddam Hussein is a menace. The world would be a better place if he were in a different place other than the seat of power in Baghdad or any other country.” Dean speech, “Defending American Values – Protecting America’s Interests,” 2/17/03

Compared Hussein to a punk who is trying to annoy you

“’It's kind of like when you are walking down the street and there is some kid, some punk, who is using swear words and trying to annoy you,’ Dean said, according to a political website. ‘Now you are bigger and older, but at some point you get really annoyed and frustrated and want to take him out. Now that punk doesn't represent an immediate threat and you can contain him and let him swear at you. This is like Iraq and Saddam Hussein.’” Union Leader editorial, 3/26/03

But, Dr. Dean, do punks have WMD?

RUSSERT: ...and I'll show it to you. You said in January, Governor, "I would be surprised if Saddam Hussein didn't have chemicals and biological weapons."

DR. DEAN: Oh, well, I tend to believe the president. I think most Americans tends to believe the president. It turns out that what the president was saying and what his administration's saying wasn't so. We don't know why that is.” NBC, “Meet the Press,” 6/22/2003





“This is a great day for the Iraqi people, the US, and the international community.” Dean statement on the capture of Saddam Hussein, 12/14/03

But, didn’t know if getting rid of Saddam is a good thing

“We've gotten rid of Saddam, and I suppose that's a good thing.” Washington Post, 4/29/03



NBC/WSJ POLL SHOWS THAT DEAN'S GRIP ON REALITY IS NOT THE ONLY THING SLIPPING…

In an overnight poll taken by NBC and the Wall Street Journal, the capture of Saddam Hussein did not significantly help George Bush in head-to-head match-ups. However it clearly hurt Howard Dean, who dropped nine points further behind Bush in a single night. Dean’s lack of foreign policy credentials and leadership clearly affected his electability when the public is reminded of the importance of the issue.

If the next election for president were held today, and George W. Bush were running as the Republican candidate and Howard Dean were the Democratic candidate, for whom would you vote?

on 12/14/ 2003

George W. Bush 52


Howard Dean 31


12/13 2003


George W. Bush 51


Howard Dean 39


on 11/3/ 2003

George W. Bush 50


Howard Dean 35



Dean is clearly slipping againist the Bush administration, and it is obvious that his foreign policy stance is a complete wash.

The party and voters ought to reconsider this no trick pony fast if it wants a win in 2004.


Someone who actually knows about foreign relations and not someone who must crib their foreign policy speeches from those who do.

Dean first ripped off Kerry's ideas, and now Clarks.

none of Dean speeches on issues in front of professionals in government and foreign affairs are ever extemporaeous, but are always read off of the teleprompter in front of him.

Kerry and Clark on the other hand do their foreign affairs speeches off the top of their heads.

Dean has absolutely no knowledge of foreign relations and those who try to state that Dean does, do more harm to Dean than those who criticize Dean directly. He was a governor, not and ambassador, or ever engaged in foreign relations at the national level and so his lack of knowledge is obvious and to be honest would not be a fault during more peaceful times. But he doesnt know what he is talking about regarding foreign affairs and his statements on the first Meet the Press where his answer about his lack of knowledge in this area was that he would get good advisors. So even Dean admitted his experience is negligible in this area.



Only those who support Dean out of a devotion to a personality rather than ability would insist that Dean has expertise in this area.

He fumbled over this speech so badly that even I would have felt sorry for him if it were not for behavior of many of his supporters.

He is clearly out of his depth

And always inconsistant
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:54 PM
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16. Too funny and even more desperate
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 11:55 PM by KaraokeKarlton
We have the Clark camp crying that Dean's speech is really Clark's and now the Kerry camp crying that Dean's speech is really Kerry's.

The fact of the matter is, the speech is Dean's and you all are admitting it was great by trying to attribute it to your own candidates.

Bush-Lite or Dean-Lite...some candidates just can't decide which one they wanna be. Too bad for them they can't ever hope to win by mimicing the real one. If I am walking down the dairy aisle of the grocery store looking to buy some cheese and I see REAL cheese right beside IMITATION cheese and they cost the same, I'm NOT gonna buy the Imitation...neither will anyone else.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:20 PM
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17. The speech was a disgrace, embarrassment and rip off.
If you can't handle the truth I really can't concern myself with that.

The truth is he lifted Wes' policy statement while he's out of the country, and has the audacity to now call it the, "Dean doctrine." Sound like anyone else we all love to hate? Whose initials are, GWB?You can tell it's hastily put together because it's incoherent in places and he's unfamiliar with the text.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:52 AM
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13. Did Clark copyright his plan?
I know no one else thought of multilateralism before Clark invented it, but if he didn't copyright it, then the idea is fair game.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:37 PM
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19. The "Dean Doctrine" though? That phony has given himself...
a doctrine that he lifted off of Wes while Wes was out of the country. :puke:
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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:02 AM
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3. he did not write this speech
this was a tough speech to follow. he stumbled on every other word. it was not his best speech - as far as delivery goes, i'd give him a c-.

btw- did dean take questions from the media? i assume not.
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:08 AM
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4. yes, he did write it
and he most certainly did take answers from the media. That's the best part. He nailed every one of them, too. Grand Slam, most definitely.

And Dean writes all of his own speeches, when he uses one. Most of the time he just gets up there and talks. Since he doesn't usually read from a speech, so he isn't at his best reading from a piece of paper.

And this very speech is the one he sent to Gore to get his opinion on that led Gore to decide to endorse him.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:16 AM
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6. So, he lifted Wes' plan about a new international coalition..
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 12:16 AM by Kahuna
and sent it to Gore and got him to endorse him? Why am I not surprised? :eyes:
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:19 AM
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7. Wasn't this supposed to be Clark's news day?
You know, testifying against that Serbian dictator?

I expected that news to get some more press, but it was crowded out today for some reason.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:20 AM
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8. lol and I'm glad the sig lines are back
;-)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:25 AM
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9. I could care less. What does Clark have to do with..
Dean bungling his way through a foreign policy speech?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:27 AM
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10. I thought the US ordered there be no coverage?
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:44 AM
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11. He was calling for a coalition long before he talked to Clark
:eyes:
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:22 AM
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14. Hell, yes
I actually didn't catch the speech live - just read the transcript. But he was taking questions afterword and was extremely knowledgeable and articulate.

eileen from OH
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 04:22 PM
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18. Could you post a link to the transcript?
Thanks.
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