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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:39 AM
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Dean Folks, On Diane Rehm(sp?) One of Deans F.P. Advisors Disses Him!
It was over his Bush/911 Remarks, which they did not actually Quote

Kinda Weird.

Diane has an NPR talk show, I don't know if it will be archived or

a transcript will be available
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:43 AM
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1. Archived shows...
....are available at www.wamu.org, I believe. You can probably also order transcripts there.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:47 AM
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2. Dean *never* suggested the Saudi theory as truth
He used it as an example of what was out there as a result of the admin stonewalling on the investigation. He's right.

The press has run with this as though he offered it as his own theory or belief or accusation and that is a lie.

First on the Rehm show, then on Fox, then at the debate- each time he clarified exactly what he meant.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:49 AM
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3. Why repeat it if he didn't believe it then?
Play with fire and you get burned.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:51 AM
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4. I think it is Great to have 911 in the News, W* got Burned
Anyone who saw that Press Conf. Cannot have missed W*'s reaction
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:55 AM
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8. You mean kinda like saying the F-word
talking about the President in Rolling Stone Magazine? Or calling for US "regime change"?

I can see the ad now if Kerry is the nominee. Video of Saddam being "smoked out of his hole", flashing to pictures of Saddam's atrocities while the announcer lists all his evil deeds. Then Kerry's face comes on saying that and essentially comparing Bush to Saddam. And the announcer lambastes him and makes him look like a total loser.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:57 AM
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10. What do you mean?
He said it on Rehms- here's a link to the show

http://www.wamu.org/dr/2003/drarc_031201.html#monday

He used it as an example. Then he explained that on Fox when Wallace asked him about it. Then he explained it in the debate when Ted asked him about it.

Are you saying Democrats shouldn't make the case for more accessibility for the 911 Commission's investigation?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:07 AM
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17. yes,he said it and said it and said it. so now it's 'his theory
and we may be tarred with it too.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:34 AM
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23. LOL Poor us! The truth strikes again!
And let me correct you here. He used it and used it and used it in his explanation for how theories abound when there is no credible investigation.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:19 PM
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32. except the how and the why always get lost in the media..
the dean people better learn that soon.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:37 PM
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38. There's always that possibility
We should cancel all further appearances by Dem candidates whose point will inevitable "get lost in the media". Or at least instruct them to use only innocuous platitude-speak.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:01 AM
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14. To make a simple point.
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 11:07 AM by stickdog
How in the hell do you equate pointing out the negative ramifications of not having a full and open 9/11 investigation with "playing with fire"?

All Dean did was quite clearly state an undeniable fact: indefensible secrecy creates speculative suspicion -- both inside and outside the United States.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:03 AM
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15. He should not have mentioned LIHOP (as stated in post 9 below) nt
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:12 AM
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18. That's right... Don't look at the man behind the curtain!!!
Don't ask questions, don't suggest Bush may have acted improperly, don't demand an investigation. That's how we won all those seats in 2002, after all.

This has all the earmarks of an "Al Gore thinks he invented the internet" kind of story. Maybe we can't keep the media from misrepresenting it, but we can at least avoid spreading the lies ourselves, can't we?

Hmmm... maybe some of us can't.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:37 AM
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24. wanting to investigate and believeing in LIHOP are not one in the same
Dean should never have mentioned it.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:53 AM
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25. Exactly... they are not the same
So stop helping the right wing media conflate the two.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:00 PM
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28. I'm not the idiot candidate who mentioned it. eom
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:29 PM
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35. You mean this idiot candidate?
http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.12.12/oped1.html

The nerve, winding criticism of the admin and the Saudis into a single statement! Don't they know the rule?: "Say nothing or else The Media might run away with it and then where will you be?"
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:34 PM
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37. Kerry therein attacks wild conspiracy theories re: September 11 attacks
he does nothing in the way of promoting them, or lending credence to them.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:12 PM
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40. Suggesting that Bush might have had some foreknowledge
of 9/11 is a "wild conspiracy theory"?

OK.

Now then, what color is the sky on your planet?

But by all means, let us all take a moment to thank God that John Kerry knows better than to mention the obvious when discussing why Bush & Cheney have stonewalled, delayed and done everything possible to subvert any and all investigation into 9/11 since well before 9/12.

Clearly, John Kerry has what it takes to preserve the status quo at all costs.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:56 PM
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39. Why not?
I really want to know why it's verboten to even broach the subject of the theory of LIHOP gaining popularity as an unfortunate response to Bush's constant and continued stonewalling of any and all 9/11 investigation.

Does this idea simply hit too close to home?

Do you go to hell just for thinking about it?

Or, perhaps, since Big Brother never made LIHOP an official part of Newspeak ...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:06 AM
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16. All the candidates should pick up some of that "fire"
It's morphed and the truth of his remarks are lost EVEN as recorded in one of the most watched debates.

This is a prime example of what Dems should all be watching for- it will happen to any one of them who become noteworthy. Instead there is excited silence and exploitation.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:55 AM
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9. The "McKinneying" of Dean...
Granted, it would been smarter for Dean to focus a bit more on the stonewalled investigation and not mention what has yet to have been proven as fact (i.e. LIHOP), but Bush and his actions pre-9/11 needs to be scrutinized. There's enough unanswered questions surrounding it (and the Bush admin has done itself no favors by refusing to cooperate with the investgation) to warrant discussion about it, at the very least...
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:59 AM
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11. i heard it on fox this am..referred to as '.dean's theory'
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:52 AM
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5. Wow, be sure and post when you get that link ey? Till then it's not
thread/news worthy.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:01 AM
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13. Others Have Now Posted Links Within this thread
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:25 AM
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19. No actually. No links to the now "kinda" dis have been posted
Do you have one?
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:57 AM
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26. Yeah Links Have been Posted www.wamu.org
I don't know how long it takes to archive the show, ok?
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:53 AM
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6. relevant quotes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=914087&mesg_id=914087
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:28 AM
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20. Sorry can you highlite the quotes 'related' to this threat here.
thanks. I don't want to read 100 plus posts, and since this thread is from yesterday and the radio show occured today??? I'm confused.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:32 AM
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22. Say, there's a disingenuous hatchet piece
It charges "Lie!" then fails to describe any lie.

There's even a response on that thread that compares Dean's "lying" to Gore's "lying", something anyone with half a brain KNOWS was media fiction.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:54 AM
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7. One of Deans F.P. Advisors Disses Him!???
One of Dean's foreign policy advisors dissed who?
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:00 AM
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12. He Kinda Dissed Dean
There are links within the thread now
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:30 AM
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Funny... I didn't see "kinda" in your thread title -nt-
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:03 PM
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29. That is what a discussion is for, as in a discussion forum
A 'dis' is definitely subjective

I has hoped someone else may have heard the show and give a quote

One thing is sure he definitely did NOT have Dean's Back and was

discussing it with Diane yet said he had not even talked with Dean about
it after it happened
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:30 AM
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21. Perhaps you can quote related 'dis' ... and if Dean was 'dissed' good
that's what advisors are for. Who needs yes men anyway? Not the Dean campagin, we need leaders.
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 11:58 AM
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27. it didn't sound like a "dis"
to me. He said that he advises Dean - and sometimes Dean takes his advice, and sometimes he doesn't. He also said that he would not have answered the question the way Dean did.

If that's "dissin" something was missin.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:07 PM
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30. I was hoping someone else had heard it
Were you satisfied with the way he addressed the situation?
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:32 PM
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33. oh yeah...an advisor esentially says"don't blame me" in public
and it's no problem...snicker.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:36 PM
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34. Your snickering is rude, no wonder Dean folks are defensive
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:16 PM
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31. This thread was meant to be a heads up.
I was somewhat taken aback at the tone of this advisor

This guy did not seem to have Dean's back.

He could have mentioned the Aug. 6th "Osama determined to strike US' PDB

He could have mentioned Ashcrap switching off commercial flights

He could have mentioned Willie Brown Being warned about the actual day 9/11

He could have mentioned July 2001 G8 summit when W* was threatened

by Osama's 'air force' crashing planes into the the buildings where they were meeting

He could have mentioned the real time monitoring of stocktrades by US intel and the suspicious short selling

OK, That shit is just off the top of my head

I'm sure there is even more
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:34 PM
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36. You're right- It's of interest and worth noting
My first response was just a try to clean up where the media has gone off the rails on what Dean originally said. -Then the 'serves him right' attitude surfaced from other posters.

Since when did Dems develop such smug glee when a Dem is misrepresented in the press? It's a puzzle.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:26 PM
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41. Thanks, I'm glad somebody gets it
You can check all the primaries threads and find nary a post from me

I don't have a stake in any candidate right now


And after this thread I'll hesitate to contribute again
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