Why do you all hate Rush???

I am always a bit shocked at the constant hate for Rush Limbaugh here. I personally don't hate him. He may be rude, disruptive, inaccurate, cunnning, devious, deplorabole, etc. (I could go on for a long time) but I don't feel any HATE for the man personally. I don't listen to his show too often and when I do, I can usually rebuke most of his arguments (along with most Republican talk show hosts) with some common sense and a bit of general knowledge. To me, he's just a political operative for the Republican Party that will do most anything to prove his point. I think we have few such people on our side as well. I know many of you may hate him and my question is this: WHY? He hasn't sent troops to their death. He hasn't destablized and entire region. He didn't get his radido show by losing his election. He may want to do these things but wanting to do the same thuing as the president is not the same thing as Bush's actions.

Enough said.

for the (insert REALLY BAD NAMES HERE) in the GOP. He's a shill for rove and drudge.

In short, he's a republican that embodies the very worst in partisan hack politics of personal destruction, while being a hypocrite to the core.

I find it very telling that this GOP poster boy for virtue and morality is an unapologetic, unrepentent and unclean junkie. That just simply says it all.

Let's See Little Jeff Christie aka Rush read THIS on the air, in its entirety.

mainly because we point out the lies and fabrications and the hypocrisy.

Mostly, we're "haters" because we apply the very same standards that the Repubs used against anybody slightly left of Jesse Helms.

his hate and support of the RW. He was their "Johnny Appleseed" for the masses of disenfranchised White Males.

I hate Rush because he's a fat, lazy bigot who promotes a culture of lies and half-truths.

He never tells the truth about anything. (synicsm here).

then why did you respond? I am looking for toughtful answers to a valid question.

Rush lies about what we believe, he convinces the gullible to follow. That causes harm to the nation and the world. So we hate him. If you knew him and us you wouldn't ask.

"If you knew him and us you wouldn't ask."

You don't know him either beyond his radio show. I am talking about the man himself. You can hate his message, hate his tactics, and hate his reasoning, but how can you hate a person if you don't know the man personally and he hasn't done something brutally harmful to others (besides bruising a few of your egos). You understand that you are playing right into what he wants by attacking the man and not his ideas. Fans of his read responses like the ones in here and it makes them want to listen to him more. We need to use our energy a bit wiser I feel in order to get our message across to those on the other side.

What kind of touchy feely bullshit is this: yes, the man is responsible for spewing the most reactionary tripe imaginable, and is a direct or indirect cause of monumental suffering on this planet, but do you really know him personally?

FUCK HIM PERSONALLY. You are nothing but the sum total of your DEEDS. And I can assure you that his public deeds are both 1) sufficient for judgment and 2) incapable of being overcome by his private deeds, be these ever so good.

Yours is the same logic that allows one to say: hell, Bush has ruined this country and carries on in the most despicable murderous manner, but hey - I could have a beer with him! He's a good person. FUCK THAT. By your DEEDS, we shall know you.

Best possible answer that could be given.

In his lies he has the power to propel policies which deprive medicine to the poor and food to the hungry. That is actual harm, caused by him.

If he told the truth and we disagreed on policy, I wouldn't like him, but reasonable minds differ. That is simply not the case, he lies to promote evil.

Than any other individual in this nation.

He is the modern embodiment of Joe McCarthy.

'nuff said!

I don't think so.

He Has influenced a whole generation of dittoheads and turned them into the rabid right-wingers we see today, lapping up everthing Fox News says without question.

how? I really want to know how he has brought down democracy more than, let's see, the Supreme Court in 2000 who decided to give the election to Bush

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERstreicher.htm

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/Streicher.html

Zig-Zag Heil!

Pre-Rush, politics was politics, but Republicans and Democrats didn't hate each other. Nowadays, I hear people who are friends and relatives BASHING liberals with a hatefulness inspired by this insipid asshole and others like him.

of a slavering following of mindless dittoheads, who think that a vote for any Democrat is a vote for Satan himself, the culture of right wing politics in this country would be so ineffective, that Bush* never would've made it to the White House.

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Sure, you might not have any in your home, never seen one when dining out, don't know anyone who's infested with them, but don't you HATE them just the same?

Rush has meade a PILE of money spewing his hateful anti-left pro-Neo-Con bullshit ever since the first time the phones lit up after he said something "cute" about Clinton.

There's a Cancer in this country, a Cancer that makes CRAP like Dubya Bush, Ken lay, Rumsferatu, PNAC, "Herr Groppenfuhrer" AND Rush limbaugh possible. and Rush Limbaugh is one of the causal agents of it.

Any person of good sense should despise Limbaugh.

"ush has meade a PILE of money spewing his hateful anti-left pro-Neo-Con bullshit..."

I know a few liberal authors that do the same to the other side.

Could you please define where lies the hate in books by Franken, Conason, Ivins, Brock, Moore, et al?

Look through the Franken, Conason, and Ivins books and tell me where the lies are. Where are the factual errors? Where are the clear, and intentional distortions of the facts?

Methinks you protest too much.

I loathe Rush and his crowd because they have zero regard for the truth. They are promoting an agenda based upon an existing predisposition. The facts are something to be ignored and lies are something that just have to be told to pursue their agenda and win at politics.

That's ignoble and deserving of every bit of loathing i can muster.

If you can't see the difference between the "liberal" authors you so carefully leave nameless and what these cretins like Rush do, i suggest you read more carefully.
The Professor

"Rush has meade a PILE of money spewing his hateful anti-left pro-Neo-Con bullshit..."

well you didn't say dishonest in your original post. I can only reply to what you say and not what you intend. However, Franken, Moore, and the rest use facts to argue their positions in book form and blast conservatives (at elast a good chunk of them do). They might be hateful in their approach but the result seems the same.

They bash us using "reason".
We go study for a bit.
We come back and bash them.

I am not saying it is a bad thing but to say that we are innocent of all crimes is ridiculous (i am not saying you think that, but many people here do).

I only made on post on this thread. I think you have me confused with someone else. If you're going to take a contrary position, you should at least know against whom you're arguing.

And, i don't think that obviating opposing points and pointing out lies is bashing, if facts are used to do it. The difference is one is bashing, and one is debating.

If there's truth, and the points are being trashed, it's not bashing. If it's about the person, it's bashing. I think it's clear which sides do more of the former than the latter and vice versa.

And, if putting someone in their place for lying and destroying the tenor of the political debate in this country is a crime, i think you might need a new dictionary.
The Professor

If you think books by Conason, Corn, and others rival the hatred spewed by Limbaugh then you are just plain ignorant. Sorry, but that was one really foolish statement.

Before I personally ever even heard of him, people I know were listening to him, and calling me (based on my opinions and outlook) a feminazi. So they started calling me that.

BTW, it's a "label" I now wear with pride. I'm proud of who I am and what I stand for, and Rush can bite me.

for Halloween each year. It's a great way to make fun of Rush's stupid routines.

He has no right to spew his ideas on the airwaves. Free speech was never intended for people to use to destroy America. You can't yell fire in a crowded building and that is what he is doing every day. We want him silenced and then the hate will subside.

Though I do sometimes bash Rush at the pub.

Mostly it's just fun and games. He's too dishonest to take seriously.

actually can control their anger towards the man. Good to see someone else who understands life too short to get so worked up about such a little man.

--Anonymous Jew, Germany 1931

No, ignoring monsters has been tried before, with predictable results.

In fact, it was tried for all those years Rush had a free hand to do his Julius Streicher thing while people refused to figth back, preferring to remain "above the fray".

Well, if Hitler and Hitler's Limbaugh, Julius Streicher, teach us one thing, it's that there is no "above the fray" when facing Totalitarianism.

There is no ignoring the Totalitarianism of Hitler, Stalin, Marcos, Bush, because by definition Totalitraianism seeks to control ALL aspects of society.

There is NO IGNORING THAT!

Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich with Rush Limbaugh and the EIB is preposterous, funny but preposterous.

But anyone can make a thoughtlessly dismissive comment. It takes a bit more to back it up. Let me show you how:

CONSIDER:

Totalitarianism is by it's very nature chimeric. Every time it rises, it is from the ashes of discredited philosphies, from the old European monarchies to Hitler, Stalin, Marcos, Amin, etc.

As anyone in marketing could tell you, if you want to reintroduce a discredited product, you must avoid comparisons to the previous discredited product. Also, Totaliarianism must be chimeric in that each nation has it's own culture in which Totalitarianism must insinuate itself into in order to succeed.

In ther words, the heavy-handed, overly violent German Totalitarianism couldn't work in the Old American Republic whith it's rich 225 year traditions of Free Elections and Liberty.

So, if you are waiting for the modern Totalitarians to go marching down the streets wearing black uniforms, singing "Horst Wessel", and loading victims into boxcars, then you shall wait FOREVER. In fact, it is the height of blind ignorance to assume that is how it will come to be and to therefore dismiss any related activity as "preposterous" simply because old aims are achieved with new forms.

Would it make you feel better if I equated the Busheviks to more gentle Totalitarians like Ferdinand Marcos? Of course, that would make Limbaugh equivalent to Ronnie "Sip-Sip" Tutu.

And actually, German psychologist Karl Jaspers, who lived through Nazism, speaks to you through me, when he said:

"Everywhere in the world I dread that same self-deception which holds that 'it can't happen here.' It can happen anywhere. It becomes unlikely only where the mass of the population is aware of the threat, where there is accordingly no relapse into lethargy, where the character of "totalitarianism" is known and recognized from its very inception and in each of its aspects-as a Proteus which is constantly putting on new masks, which glides out of your grasp
like an eel, which does the opposite of what it claims, which perverts the meaning of its words, which speaks, not to impart information, but to hypnotize, divert attention, insinuate, intimidate, dupe, which exploits and produces every type of fear, which promises security while destroying it completely."
--Karl Jaspers

but how exactly is Rush the !@#th coming of a totalitarian movement? I would love examples. I really would.

You have some reading to do...

http://www.couplescompany.com/FEATURES/Politics/Structure3.htm

Let's look at a few of these that are dead-on accurate for both Nazi Germany and Imperial Amerika...

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

No no, those aren't flag lapels on everyone's coats and cars and houses. No no, the use of flags at public events hasn't gone dramatically up recently (hint, take a look at Nazi rallies, they had a more-than-usual number of flags, too). Nothing to see here, move along...

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

You know, from the perspective of the Busheviks, I cannot tell exaclty who is the cause of EVERYTHING THAT'S WRONG WITH AMERICA -- it's either liberals or Muslims. And if you think it's only hyperbole or rhetoric, then you have not been listening closely to what the various Busheviks have been saying, sometimes quite outright as Ann Coulter or Newt Gingrich.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

No, no, nothing like that happening here...

(not that I am opposed per se to the military; I am ex-USAF and proud of it)

Controlled Mass Media

Party-Loyal Right-Wing Sub-Media and Corporate TV Pravda. Not directly controlled, but certainly a shell of a shambles of it's former self, dreadfully one-sided, and now growing frombeing envied by the world towards being laughed at by the world. More Americans seeking information overseas than ever in my lifetime.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the
masses.

No, nothing like that happening here...

There's more. But you get the idea.

You asked. I answer. It seems to me that we have ALL degrees of this going on right now, but even in the "best case scenario", nearly half of these items are in dramatic advance.

So, here you shoot out quick one-liners again. Not only have I backed it up, but backed it up well.

Maybe it's time for you to back yourself up with something other than a flip one-liner.

...for a well thought-out response. I see where you are coming from and agree with a lot of what you have got to say. You understood my initial point wonderfully.

"...the most effective counter-measure to his brand of misdirection and disinformation is to inform, educate and illuminate those who don't know any better."

I feel that is exactly the approach that should be taken and all of this spitting, muddering, incoherent hatred is not the answer we seek.OK, I'll follow you and see where I get,

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

So all the flags flying on Sept. 20th, 2001 were a sign of impending fascism. I know it was out of a begrudged and sometimes sickening sense of patriotism but I could hardly equate them to fascist tendencies. Nowadays, I see far less flags flying and I hardly see an American flag lapel except for on CSPAN (because politicians never try to follow the crowd because they are scared to pointed out as different) but maybe it is that fact that I live in the truly liberal bastion of North-Central Florida.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

I agree with you on the coulter's and the scarbourough's but I have a strong feeling the majority of Americans don't think that way.

Supremacy of the Military

The large influx of capital into the defense budget was partly because 1) we were attacked Sept. 11th and that we had to destroy the Taliban (which could have been done much less costly but our troops are stretched across the world) and 2) we have a Republican government in bed with the military/industrial complex. I don't see how corporate greed equates with fascism but I could be wrong.

Controlled Mass Media

The mass media (if you can call it that. It has been fractioned off so much that I doubt they could agree on anything more fruitful than last nights Spurs' score. You are right that the corporate dominance is a bad thing. But I would hardly call conservative talk radio, FOX and CNBC the beginning of a new regime. It is called "Republicans are much more effective at getting their skewed message out than we are with our skewed message."



Now the last point I do agree wit hyou that our civil liberties and privacy are be eroded.


I think you are giving those powers that are pushing this fascist revolution a bit too much power than they actually have, but Hey! thats just my opinion and I gotta leave from work.

Rush and Joe McCarthy? McCarthy was a choir boy next to Limbaugh when examining the damage each has done.

and because he misleads working-class people into thinking that he's a working-class person.

His ass should be sitting in JAIL! :grr:

He parrots the what Karl Rove tells him to. As long as he continues to be effective as the American Quisling (google search Vodkun Quisling, norway), Rush could be publicly video-taped buggering his own mother and he'd still keep his gig.

He doesn't even care about any of the crap he spews. He's such a true believer that he never even bothered to vote for red-ink Reagan.

for turning your average American, too busy/ignorant to seek accurate information, into rabid hate-filled repukes by breaking down the most complex of issues into simplistic, biased sound bites. He is nothing but an ill-informed hypocrite with only the most evil of intentions.

to eat babies? Because you know babies taste like chicken. They must because everything besides chicken tastes like chicken, so therefore human flesh must taste like chicken. Babies must taste like young chickens then.

//izzard off

Intentionally obtuse.

Let me turn the question around: why would anyone come to a site like this and expend so much time and energy defending that piece of rat vomit?!

I have a theory, but I'd break the rules if I expressed it.

The vulgar pigboy junkie is vile!!!!!

Anyone who likes him is a moron.

Nothing since Signals has really moved me though :-(

thanks for the laugh in such a serious thread (at least most of these people are making is so)

The real reason we all hate Rush Limbaugh is that one night he got obscenely drunk and drove a car full of puppies, kittens and nuns- none of which had seatbelts on, into a propane tank at 50mph. They all crashed through the window and landed on salt covered glass shards and writhed around in pain and on fire. Rush was the only survivor.

for liberals, for gays, female activists, minorities, and others. My feelings are more absolute disdain, rather than hate. But, he seems to have few, if any, redeeming features.

The simple fact is that Rush is an enabler of all the things that have been actively ruining this country for the past two decades. Do you honestly think that he has no bearing on what people think? Statements like "manatees don't pay taxes so why should i give a damn if they get run over?" are not indicative of any measure of respect for life. Not to mention the obvious hipocrisy of his recent drug addiction to which he has been treated like all celebrities, with kid gloves. While he goes on the air and spouts about how drug addicts make a choice to be that way, and should be imprisoned.




The fact that you have to ask that question indicates one of two things.

1. That you know virtually nothing about Limbaugh, and right wing hate radio in general, which is possible, but not probable.


2. You really aren't very liberal, and don't see how promoting hatred, racial intolerance, class based favoritism and corporate welfare damages this country and its people to the core.


either answer isn't very pleasant. I suggest you do some reading, or re-examine your beliefs a little more in depth.

You are right, I usually am doing better things than listening to Rush Limbaugh during lunchtime. Yet, when I do, I definately do not agree with 99% of his viewpoints. However, you seem to think that one man has incited the fall of western civilization. Reminds me of everyone screaming, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Both of your examples are personal beliefs of his that, while I find them pretty horrible, he has all the right in the world to have them and express them to those that want to listen. That's what I thought we were all fighting for; our rights as Americans.

Also, attacking me personally seems like a pretty sad descision no matter what side of "isle" you are on. You attack him for expressing his dumb opinions yet you have no problem typing your out for us to read. You do not know me, so don't question my integrity or political loyalty. However, if it is required to hate a man that I do not know to be part of "the club" then I won't be shedding any tears while returning my donkey pin.

Can’t understand the harm that the vile demagoguery that Rush spews for hours every day causes. There are places for people like you to share your views, so why do you bother here? There isn’t anyone who is sincere here who doesn’t know just how much harm Rush has caused.

Rush does not fight fair.

Rush lies.

Rush is vicious.

Rush is a coward.

Rush manipulates the gullible, weak and simple.

Rush is cashing in on the misery he causes.

because he went out of his way to demean an innocent 12 year old girl by making fun of her looks on national television simply because he disagreed with her father's politics. He is a despicable thing, beneath contempt.

Hatred of people of differing races. Hatred of people demanded equality. Hatred of people demanding social justice. Hatred of the poor and needy. Hatred of those with differing opinions. Hatred of those with differing sexual orientation. Hatred of those who of non-Christian religious faith. He is a propagandist for a disgusting agenda. He is a liar who enriches himself at the expense of all else and he's a hypocrite.

There is nothing wrong with having utter contempt for someone like him. I won't apologize for it.

Hatred of Donovan McNabb. I can't believe my Dolphins lost last night. I am still hurting.

equate to the feeling of unfounded hate in millions of dittoheads. He is an evil man, a true villan in every sense of the word.

I'll listen to him once or twice a week in ten minute chunks as I drive around at lunchtime to get food... and invariably, at least once, he'll spout some crap that would make me wanna break his nose if I was in the same room with him. He has a talent for that. Yesterday it was his stupid crack -- he brought up Madeline Albright's name for no particular reason, said she wasn't seen on TV to weigh in on the Saddam capture, then wondered aloud if anyone had seen her in Wesley Clark's hotel room. Last week it was in response to a liberal caller who had some good points about the Halliburton overcharging (admittedly the caller could have presented himself more effectively...) and Rush's response was that if you're anti-Halliburton you therefore hate America. L'etat, c'est Republican fatcat donors, I guess. A general constant theme of calling me something I'm not by inaccurately painting all liberals with his broad brush.

Minor annoyances, to name a few:

1. the whole arrogant blowhard persona
2. if he finds a phrase he thinks is funny (e.g. his mom's bloody mary drinking club or whatever the hell he calls it,) or if he knows a local pronounciation for something (evidently Puyallup = "pee-wallup") he'll repeat it dozens of times in any given three minute period.
3. boring golf and football stuff
4. I really, really hate Mannheim Steamroller. Especially at Christmas.
5. If he or his show is attacked somewhere in the media he tries to get sympathy by saying that the attacker, and by extension all liberals on the planet, hate each and every dittohead personally. Simply not true, obviously *can't* be true if you give it the smallest bit of consideration... but it does more to incite hatred of non-Republicans than just about anything else he can do.

A hateful, lying Prick, a bully, who hates America, hates freedom, hates women, hates minorities, hates liberals, hates hates hates. He reaps what he sows.

I am always a bit shocked at the constant hate for Rush Limbaugh here.


... and I don't imagine that any of us really hates the man in the most evil and soul-destroying sense of the word. But think about it. If not for Rush, where would Mike Gallagher and Bill O'Reilley and a few others of their ilk be right now?

I guess the kinds of things Rush says are things that any of us might have felt about someone (not the same people though) at one time or another, but we wouldn't dare say those things out loud. There are a lot of feelings that don't need to be expressed out loud, no matter how much freedom of speech we are guaranteed in the Constitution. By expressing some of those feelings, Rush has degraded himself, made it "acceptable" for others to similarly demean themselves, and diminished whatever civilization and culture we may still have left in this country.

Good people want to stay as far away from his type as possible.

Who flies around with his face full of smegma boils,

EEEEHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

My caption: Doctors discover anal cysts during Rush's entrance exam.

That seems a pretty bleak view of our culture.

...ever since 2112 came out. Geddy Lee is the one who inspired me to pick up the bass. Awesome band!

In addition to the above posts, he's being "investigated" for crimes (illegal drug possession and money laundering). Anyone on this board would have been arrested and/or fired for just one of said crimes. Rush had his time in rehab, and is back at work spewing hate, disinformation, and lies.

He lies to his fellow Americans to make them vote against their own best interests.

you have got to do better than that. How does he make them do anything. His fans make a free choice to listen to him or not and to let his information be a deciding factor or not. You can't use the "He made them do that" argument, it holds no water.

However, he takes the mind that way.

such as deaththreats from his weak minded rushbots and that is not cool. He was even asked to stop and refused

demagoguery, anti-intellectualism and hate-mongering of the worst sort.

Aside from everything he is, thinks and does, of course, I love him.

upon many large segments of society. Not only liberals and Democrats, but feminists, gays, union workers, the homeless, and yes, even the chemically dependent.

He has made himself an instrument of hate and cruelty, and has profited handsomely by doing so.

In addition, he is a hypocrite of the first order. He is not stupid, and therefore should know better, which makes him all the more dangerous and irresponsible.

For these moral outrages (and many more not mentioned), this man has forsaken his right to be a respected member of the human race.

I appreciate you putting this thread up here, and not because I'm a group hug let's all get along kind of guy. I am as capable of fury and hate and animosity as the next self-respecting person who sees whats going on around us.

Here's my take - Rush Limbaugh markets a product. He came up by appealing to basic sensibilities of the "average american". Unfortunately, the "average american" is so abjectly subject to manipulation that his product was swallowed as absolute gospel.

The man infuriates me to no end, I can't listen to him for more than 5 minutes before my temples start to pound and I want to reach through the speaker and throttle him for his blatant leading by innuendo and cherry-picking of data to support his premise.

He is a natural by-product of the system. He is an entertainer. People love to be given opinions to be passionate about, and as most cannot seem to develop their own, he provides them with something they can feel a part of. He preys on fears and prejudices to align people with what he ostensibly believes.

He's also damn good at what he does, even if what he does is anathema to all I believe to be good and right.

But I don't hate him. That would be a wasted misdirection of my anger and energies. To me, the most effective counter-measure to his brand of misdirection and disinformation is to inform, educate and illuminate those who don't know any better. Those who only know his opinion, because all their friends and neighbors trust him.

In my experience, the most effective way to turn someone around is not by attacking directly their beliefs and their icons with great prejudice. This invariably produces a defensive reflex which causes
one to automatically dismiss even the most reasoned and logical argument.

Rather, accept what they beleive with a polite, uncommited nod, leave their source alone, and stick to the facts. Its hard to keep emotions and passions out of your efforts, especially now that we are facing probably one of the most perilous dangers any society can face.

But if you can make them think you are on their side, another proud, patriotic american, then you have got your foot in the door and can show them what's really going on.

Works for me, your results may vary.

...for a well thought-out response. I see where you are coming from and agree with a lot of what you have got to say. You understood my initial point wonderfully.

"...the most effective counter-measure to his brand of misdirection and disinformation is to inform, educate and illuminate those who don't know any better."

I feel that is exactly the approach that should be taken and all of this spitting, muddering, incoherent hatred is not the answer we need in these times in America.

"the most effective counter-measure to his brand of misdirection and disinformation is to inform, educate and illuminate those who don't know any better."

The people that listen to Lush don't want to be "inform, educate and illuminate". That's the whole appeal of his show. The listeners themselves have to make the first step or even agree to the concept that they have something to learn. You can't forced them to become "smarter". Anyone who listens to the vulgar pigboy basically says "I know it all. Don't bother me with your liberal academic nonsense."

Well said, PatrickS.

Don't let your apathy show too much. Whats that you say? "Let them say anything they want about us but it is not worth the time or effort to rebut" Thats why people feel liberals are snobs. "You are too dumb and feeble to understand why we feel the way we do about X, Y, and Z" I remember I used to think all conservatives were evil money-grubbing whores. Then I actually spoke to a few who were smart and even-tempered. Now I know different. Seems like a few of us haven't gotten it.

I wrote that it's UP TO THEM to make the first step in getting educated. It's not up to anyone but the individuals themselves to make the first step in getting smarter.

What you wrote is typical right-wing crap.

Arguing with a Plush Limbo fan. Yeesh....

I responded to you tone and not your exact words, I apologize Patrick. I was trying to type too quickly. But I disagree that they have to make the 1st step. If you think that, then chances are that you will be waiting for a looooonnnnggggg time. Like captain said earlier, I feel we need to be proactive in letting people who believe differently than us understand where we come from.

Again, thank you for pointing out my mistake, though I dont think I am a Limbo fan :)

Rush is their sole infromation source. If he weren't a coward he'd allow alternative views on his show, but he can't let facts intrude with his opinions.

Why do you care why we hate him, we hate him because he is a duplicitous coward.

Then don't let on that you're a liberal academic.

Wolf in sheeps clothing, as it were. Be subversive.

If however, you are correct and the damage thats done is irreversible..what the hell are we all doing here? Is it that we just like hearing ourselves bitch and whine about how bad it all is?

Fuck that. This is my country. And while I might not think much of the intellect of many of my countrymen, I deal with the hand I'm dealt and do what I can.

I'm not gonna admit defeat and surrender my nation to idiocy. So yeah, educate 'em. If we have a "superior intellect" and "higher understanding" of what's going on, then why the hell don't we use it rather than complain about how stupid the other side is (even if they are kinda dumb).

If we just accept that they cannot and will not be able to grasp reason, then who is really the most clever bunch?

Yeah, it might be pissing in the wind, but we're at the point where we have to do sometihng active rather than whine. This is danger-time. These "ditto-heads" could end up being outside the wire while we're locked inside. So how do we deal with that so we don't end up on the shitty end of the deal?

I don't beleive its by fighting ignorance and hatred with same. Use our heads.

btw: the tone of this post is not intended to reflect on PatrickS directly, his point is certainly a valid one. And one we need to figure out how to circumnavigate.

I just don't think that he's a serious political talk show host. In my opinion he's just on there because his statements are hillarious.

He was the "political analyst" on NBC for Election 2002.
Even though he's an "entertainer" (his own words) someone thought that his voice should be heard on network television on Election night.
This wasn't MSNBC, or CNN, or even Faux News, this was NETWORK. The audiences that watch network news are much, much highter than the 24 hour news channels. To get that kind of exposure on such an important night means someone out there is taking him seriously.

Our only source to vent our frustrations at his rectalness is here at du and maybe our friends. He gets to lie and direct rage at us on 620 stations which millions (even us) listen to. We should be more than angry at the chasm which he has created in this culture. Rectal clones are popping up everywhere. Families are disintegrating into opposing factions. I am heart attack seriously fucking angry. I am tired of only being able to call this guy a rectal wart, while he is allowed to spew venon nationwide. In a decent society a guy like him would not exist. If there was a god, he would be rectal ash.

Rush hates us Democrats.

He hates me!

Many of you think Rush is the downfall of American political culture and the reason why Bush got elected. The REASON why Bush got elected was the growing apathetic nature of our citizens. First, when it comes time to vote, only 2/3 of registered voters and barely half of all those who can vote decide to make the biggest political choice in 4 years. It's quite sad.
Second, the apathetic nature of Floridians showed bightly during the recount. Every single voter should have been out protestinbg for every vote to count.

I could go on and on but I gotta work for a few minutes.

I read this entire thread again. I think a MANY implied that Rush and his ilk are responsible for the fall of political discourse but very FEW said he's the reason why Bush is in office. They said the fall in discourse is the reason, and he contributed to that.

Now, you've decided that MANY don't understand the real reasons. Well, that extrapolation makes it clear that your contrary position on this matter is rooted in your belief that you know more than the rest of us.

The password is HUBRIS: Look it up.
The Professor

Well said.

my post was a reply to an above comment or two. My work's LAN is acting up so it's like im on 28.8 so I just replied at the bottom. I apologize if I made it seem that I know why "this is this" and no one else does. I did not inted it that way. I just feel that blaming Rush for Bush's election is like saying girl that rejected some guy when he was 15 is the reason why he raped a woman 15 years later. To a small extent it had a small part in it but it is WAY down the list.

again I do apologize if I seemed H-U-B-R-I-S... (Whoa that was a tough one to get out).

and political discourse in our nation. His biggest contribution to society was turning political discussion that used to be a matter of honorable disagreement into a mud-slinging contest where there are no real rules of civility anymore.

And I'm a woman, so I hate him right back. ;)

You really shouldn't have to ask!

it would probably get me banned from THIS site :)

If you don't hate the Limbaugh then fine,others do--myself included. We have for years and years,nothing new but reinforced by his drug use which shows his hypocritical ASS at its best.

Reasons to hate: He's a walking talking fucking hypocrite,he hates women,blacks,gays,Dems.

Poor people are his on going DOORMAT,never mind that he once pulled a few bucks out of that HORRIBLE LIBERAL welfare system that he so decries.

He's against any program that will help anyone,but of course when you drag down 25 or 30 million per year all such programs are non-sense. Yeah, I HATE HIS GD GUTS!!

David

He fills your head so you do not have to think.

In real life hes a hermit that sits around hiding from reality all day. Hes a coward that uses dope to make his miserable life more palatable. He knows hes a propagandist and thats why he hates his own guts.

Oh and Merry Christmas to all!!!

I really do. Addiction is a horrible thing. I would not wish it on anyone... Even Rush.

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He's dumber than an elephant's asshole. Actually, I doubt he's actually that dumb and I suspect he probably doesn't even agree with alot of the stuff he says. But that's what sells. Rush is providing a society of dumbasses what they want to hear, playing into their fears and ignorance. It's kinda sad that there's an audience for it, but if Rush wasn't capitalizing on that market, someone else would and everyone here would be bitching about that person instead. He's just offering what sells. :shrug:

I read an interview with Randi Rhodes where she talked about (among other things) how pigboy does not even get very good numbers over all, but his show is subsidized heavily by corporate sponsorship. Meanwhile, Randi has one of the, if not THE, top rated show in her area, but is denied access to a wider market.

What I HATE in the USA is not Rush personally, because I refuse to drawn into feeling hatred for anyone, but the system which promotes idealogues like him, and O'Reilly, and Coulter and on and on, as legitimate journalists. How in Gods name did Limbo apprear on network tv as a legitimate political analyst during a national election (see post above)? How is it that Ann Coulter is allowed to appear again and again on so-called "news" shows to spread her poison? Is there nothing these people can say that is so vile that they will no longer be welcome on OUR public airwaves?

In short, what I dispise so much is a system which legitimizes the extreme and hateful views of these people.

Saying WHY I hate Rush is like being a mosquito at a nudist colony. The only question is where to start...

I think the number one reason is because he lies so much that he wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit his ass off. That is just my starting place, it goes downhill from there...

...I stayed home sick from school today and happened to catch an hour of Rush, just to see what he was gloating about. This proves my point for hating him.

Names/Things He Called Democrats/Liberals:

-Liberals don't like or trust America
-Discombobulated (sp?)
-Out of our minds

And plenty more I didn't bother to write down because I was just speechless. He also made excessive fun of Rev. Jesse Jackson, and whenever he said his name he would say it in a mocking voice as such: Reverend Jack-sn. I though that was pretty awful.
He also made excessive fun of Howard Dean, especially after talking about a 4'4" teen who was teased at his workplace and I think was suing them, then said that Howard Dean, being only 5'6", will be coming to this boy's side.
Also, on the subject of Sadaam and whether or not he should receive a death sentence, he asked liberals to gather around like it was a Planned Parenthood broadcast (first correcting himself on "gather 'roung the X-Mas tree, but I forgot, you want to ban those, too"), and saying that Sadaam was a late term fetus that was unwanted, so just abort him.

And, I might add, his station dubs him as "the best talk radio host of all time", so why is he still on the AM dial?

both represent the worst features of the human condition; that of a lack of compassion, a lack of empathy, spiteful, fearful, and angry at those different than themselves and both are capable of using the power the society and culture yields to them to attack unfairly and attempt to dehumanize those who oppose them.

Now you could argue that my brother made himself a dittohead but if rush wasn't around, he wouldn't be there. And I don't hate him-I wouldn't waste the energy on him. Despise, maybe, for what he has done to this country but not hate. I think he is what he deserves to me, a pitiful man who needs drugs to cope with his miserable life.

My brother went from a regular liberal-leaning guy to a hate-spewing radical right parrot after listening to this garbage.

What's your dog in this fight, anyway (directed to original poster)

(as you have been doing throughout most of this thread)

and not once claim that you would be banned immediately for showing the slightest center-of-left statements?

Try taking a similar stand in defense of Al Franken on our counterpart and see how long you last.

I have said, since the early 90s, when he wasn't anywhere as widespread (not saying popular) as he has become since the Scaife/Clear Channel/Murdoch factions really started backing him, that Josef Goebbels would be dreamy-eyed at Rush's handling of the propaganda (sp).

Goebbels didn't have dittoheads calling in and kissing his ass, nor did he have the near-instantaneous reference guide to news that ("Al Gore's") internet provides him, nor did he have instant messages which give him extra ammunition to shoot down any one who shows signs of being slightly left of him.

Goebbels would be proud. And since we are being constantly referred as anti-American Communist/Socialist Saddam-lovers, I think that comparing Rush and Bush and this misAdministration to a bunch of Nazis is only fair game.

nation by labeling anyone who disagrees with him as a "liberal" who doesn't have the same "wisdom" he does.

He's done more damage to this country than Osama Bin Laden ever could.

He may not have done the things you mentioned, but he's the mouthpiece for the people who DID. I would love nothing better than to see him expired in the gutter, broke and alone. Maybe his downfall would be a harbinger for the collapse of the neocon movement.