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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 04:59 PM
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How do you feel about pro-war democrats attacking Dean
now that Saddam is captured and do you think this will hurt the dems in the general election?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:02 PM
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1. how does the capture of Saddam change anything?
It is clear that he wasn't mobilizing troops while he was on the run. Iraq will still be an issue in November if we are still stuck there and Americans are still getting paid and our tax payers are ponying out $100 million per year to keep them there and rebuild Iraq's infrastructure.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:03 PM
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2. Don't you mean billion?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:04 PM
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3. I meant the pro-war dems attacking Dean itself
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 05:04 PM by mmonk
will that hurt?
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:04 PM
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4. It doesn't. Dean, Clark, Kucinch, Sharpton were right, period.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:05 PM
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6. Hope you're right
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:15 PM
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12. It changes nothing.
Bush still lied to get us to war to give himself some campaign photo-ops (and other dubious reasons). Iraq still had nothing to do with Al Quaeda. There are still hundreds of dead American soldiers and thousands of dead Iraqui civilians for no reason other than Bush needed to be a tough guy. How does the capture of Saddam change the fact that we never should have gone down this road? I AM glad to see him in custody and hope that this will bring this debacle to an end but it changes NOTHING about how wrong this venture was to begin with.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:05 PM
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5. I do not have a terrible enough swear word for these creatures.
Any Democrat who would enable a fascist bent president to make such an illegal, immoral, internationally unsupported war built on lies as this one, has zero idea of what the Democratic Party is supposed to be about.

And YES I'm talking to all suspects, including the most visible examples such as Hillary Clinton and Joe LIEberman.

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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:42 PM
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14. Well Said Mr Lee
I could not agree more.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:06 PM
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7. It guarantees that they won't get my vote.
If any of the the 4 BushBuddies gets the nomination it's Green for me.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:07 PM
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8. zero effect
all the differences among dems are mind-bogglingly trivial compared to getting Bush out.

No dem would have expended so much effort, committed so many impeachable offenses, to start this war. Omfg all this stuff is so silly.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:08 PM
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9. I think its Great!
Let them show thier true colors. Sadams capture doesnt change one thing about this war and all the lies that got us into it. The war is still wrong we had no buisness taking over Iraq. I find it extreamly amusing to watch all of these folks that have been trying to nuance thier support for the war no abandoning all of that based on the capture of a guy that was allready clearly out of power.

No more can they claim to be anti war or even anti this war the only two to hold firm to thier Ideals so far are Dean and Kucinich I hold them both in the highest regards for thier willingness to stick by what they believe is right no matter how much rah rah is going on arround them.

Kerry and lieberman especially have destroyed any last vestages of hope I ever had of them actually taking this administration to task over this war. Hopefully the people that suport them will finally see them for the wind testers they are.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:09 PM
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10. It's going to help Dean by setting him apart from these wishy washy
!@#$*!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:11 PM
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11. There is only one pro-war dem. Lieberman.
and I don't think it's going to help him. If you mean IWR, don't know the answer to that one, I think they were all mis-led by the administration.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:17 PM
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13. If anything , I have found out
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 05:19 PM by Marianne
that I am totally against war as Bush, and Democrats who support it, define it. That is that a policy of pre -emptive war is very smart and it is indeed, "defending our freedoms"

No way do I buy this. Period. I love Dennis Kucinich--it is too bad that so many people do not understand that war is the most serious, the most grievous thing any nation can ever undertake. It is for that reason that we have the consitutional mandate that only congress can declare war, and that has now turned into the biggest joke since the three stooges. War should only be engaged in when it is absolutely necessary to defend out own country. War, as is supported and as was supported by the majority of our representatives who supported Bush, including Democrats who are now trying to distance themselves from it, is not to be engaged in for the sheer purpose of greed, as an insane, rather dumb man, who stole a presidency in complete mockery of it's democratic principals, who shunned duty himself, has done--and, to add insult to injury , this man, this stupid man, justified it with lies.

The spoils of war , indeed, must look very tempting to many seeking to make their fortune from it. That is all it is about these days. And that is the deterioration the United States finds itself in today. We are heading downhill, fast. I think Kucinich knows that. I thinkg the others know it but do not care as much. I think that Dean is trying real hard to win--and is trying to manipulate as best he can in order to get the most voters on his side. I think that Clark is brilliant--the rest of the field does, indeed, have important things to contribute, but there must come a time when they will, if they have any concern about this country, must, absolutely must, support the progressive party and dump those Democrats who are bent upon selling us out.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:45 PM
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15. Let them gloat...
Idiots.

At least they're not trying to hide their pink tutu's anymore.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:51 PM
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16. I am glad the pro war Dems are now on their way out
And don't matter anymore. This is their last gasp.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:55 PM
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17. Incredibly angry. Pushes me further into Dean or Clark support. eom
screw them
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:30 PM
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18. I really question just whom they are trying to reach
Do they really think there is a significate number of Democratic voters that favored the action in Iraq? It looks more like desparation than logic is driving them right now. Does Lieberman truly believe the US is safer now that Saddam has been captured? I confess to be a Dean supporter(for almost 2 years now), but even with that, why the hell are Lieberman and Kerry going with their campaigns? It looks to me like bad campaign advice is going to cause an irreparable break. That is one of unintended fallouts from a hectic campaign.
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:14 PM
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19. I think it sucks
"capturing Saddam" doesn't justify the war at all. they caught the leader of the country so what. It doesn't make it right.
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