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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:56 PM
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Jerry Falwell on The Real St. Nicholas (yeah, right!)
Falwell Confidential

Date: December 17, 2003
From: Jerry Falwell



When Christmas displays are erected on public grounds across the nation, they typically must include a secular element in order to achieve legal requirements. In effect, a manger scene must include a depiction of Santa Claus or Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer before it passes constitutional muster. While I believe this is a nonsensical requirement, it is where the seemingly unending ACLU lawsuits against public religious displays have brought us in terms of social policy.

However, Christians can utilize this regulation to bring about a positive result. I encourage parents and grandparents to tell children the true story of Saint Nicholas - Santa's namesake - whenever they see a manger scene that includes a portrayal of Santa in the setting.

Saint Nicholas was born into a wealthy family about 350 miles northwest of Bethlehem in the fourth century. He was a man who loved children and his neighbors; he spent his life privately giving gifts to the unfortunate. These acts of Christian charity - usually made secretly - probably led to the policy of exchanging gifts during the Christmas season.

The history of Nicholas is blurry but there are many legends associated with the man. Apparently after his parents died, he inherited their fortune and chose to distribute it to the needy. Most famously, he lobbed bags of gold through the windows and down the chimneys of three sisters who had no dowry to allow them to marry.

Soon, Nicholas became Bishop of Myra, the city where he preached.

Ted Olsen, assistant editor of Christian History at Christianity Today, wrote that "it wasn't long before Diocletian and Maximian began their persecutions of Christians, and the new bishop was imprisoned." However, when Constantine assumed emperorship, Nicholas was released with many other persecuted believers and he returned to preaching.

After his release, Nicholas became a defender of the faith against Arianism, a heretical doctrine which asserted that Christ was not the Son of God, but a being nurtured by God the Father to the position of Son of God. Saint Nicholas reportedly traveled to the Council of Nicea and actually slapped Arius in the face in defense of the Gospel of Christ.

There are also dubious and debated elements to the ambiguous legend of Nicholas, but it appears to be quite clear that this was a man who attempted to convey the love of Christ in his life.

Mr. Olsen added, "When the Reformation came along, his following disappeared in all the Protestant countries except Holland, where his legend continued as Sinterklass. Martin Luther, for example, replaced this bearer of gifts with the Christ Child, or, in German, Christkindl. Over the years, that became repronounced Kriss Kringle, and ironically is now considered another name for Santa Claus."

This Christmas, if you see a public crèche that includes a depiction of Santa, I encourage parents and grandparents to share the story of Saint Nicholas with young children. This is a way in which to use a disagreeable situation for good.

And you can rest assured that if enough people start recounting the story of Saint Nicholas, the ACLU will probably panic and start bringing cases to ban Santa from the public square.

(from mail, no link)

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:56 PM
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1. I was always taught that St. Nick was a Russian
:shrug:
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:07 PM
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4. And for me, buried in Ireland ...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:38 PM
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7. I'll be
I always got the impression of an Russian.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:09 PM
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5. Yeah. St Nick ain't Jesus
The holidays in the midst of winter have been pagan holidays for centuries before Jesus was born. They've had lots of different mythic figures to use in these winter celebrations and St. Nick was one of them.

Christians had to adopt some of the pagan holidays in order to convert people to the faith.

The reverend is no history major.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 08:58 PM
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2. St. Nicholas Day was December 6. Looks like Jerry missed it.
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:01 PM
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3. Got this from a Catholic site on saints
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:38 PM
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6. but, but but, he was a PAPIST!!!
he was in league with the antichrist!!!

And he certainly did not share any beliefs with Falwell and the rest of the so-called "Christian" right!
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:47 PM
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8. Constantine might have released St. Nick
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 09:47 PM by delete_bush
but he had his (own) son executed and his wife par-boiled.

He used religion only as a means for political ends. Family/political values 101 for Falwell and the repukes.
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BackDoorMan Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 09:58 PM
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9. Falwell, isn't he the preacher who got drunk on vodka and nailed
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:01 PM
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10. Santa comes from Norse mythology... he's a pagan ;)
sorry Jerry, your revisionist shit doesn't fly... even if you give it wings...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:22 PM
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11. Jerry does have an err - the money was tossed down the smoke hole
The only conjecture is our hanging a sock because the drying sock ended up being the place where the money was found - I like it - but I believe it is just a fun addition. And of course the giving of the money had nothing to do with the birth of Christ

Jerry also left out the writings that seem to indicate that Nick's worry was the girls selling themselves - not just being poor.

But all the writings (indeed rewritings) are not proof to those that choose to find a reason not to accept whatever "proof" is offerred.

The homes in Nick's town were mud huts with door and smoke hole - I do not believe windows were in any of them (tours now show examples but I do not think anyone is willing to say "that hut was the girls"!)

The Father Xmas that is in Norse areas comes from what? - I am curious. It fits the history in that the Church did indeed select the birthdate of Christ to replace the winter activities already going on. It may well be the association of gift giving and Xmas started with a norse god and was moved to Father Xmas - and indeed Santa's association with Bishop Nick may only be because of the Bishops habit of giving money away to help folks - and to ease the path from sin, and that it was a late addition to our Xmas activities.

In any case I am interested in any details you may have.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:29 PM
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12. This guy stuffs Jerry's socks off...
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 10:30 PM by Octafish
...and I'm not talking about the one hung under mantle, either.



Biiiig hugggggg!

http://www.pfo.org/deep-poc.htm

EDIT: spelding
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:34 PM
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13. "Santa" is a 19th or 20th century invention
St. Nicholas of Myra, Father Christmas, 19th century sentimentality, and who in hell knows what else were all stirred togther in a big pot to produce this polar ambassador of good will many Americans know and love so well. Jerry Falwell wouldn't know St. Nicholas of Myra if he ran over the televangelist in his chariot.
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