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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:01 PM Original message |
Poll question: How much more should an CEO make than his employees? |
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Pale_Rider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. CEOs, CFOs, COOs and CIOs that out-source ... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. You might want to fix spelling in your header line |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Well, that is kind of an important point |
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onebigbadwulf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. 20 is a good number |
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greendog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. Yeah, no more than 20 times... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
5. Whatever allows them to look their employees in the eye... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Corporate Boards need to change |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:39 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Excellent point, Yupster! |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:06 AM Response to Reply #73 |
77. It's stockholder neglect |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
93. I'm not advocating workers controlling boards, Yupster... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:29 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Yo comprende |
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lcordero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. What value has Kozlowski or Lay ever brought to their |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. That was my point |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
7. Depends on the Company Size, Don't You Think? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 10:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. workers pay doesn't depend on company size, |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. Check out what they say at |
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nhtfopo (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
9. Whatever his/her company wants to pay them |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. But by company |
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SahaleArm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Neither are shareholders n/t |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Really? Even when that company is a public utility? |
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rogerashton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. As I recall the empirical evidence says that |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 05:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Really, Hadn't Heard That |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 05:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. So if an entry-level clerk makes $25,000, the CEO only makes $200k? |
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SahaleArm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Depends on your company and options package. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Like I said |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. What they are worth? |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. It's imperfect, so is mandating salary as a function of the lowest earner |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. All valid points... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:11 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. My real point |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:36 AM Response to Reply #20 |
71. Strawman alert! |
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Murky Waters (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. I don't believe that for a second |
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grannylib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
14. I voted 6-10; the real number on average is about 400 times the lowest |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
94. Wrong. It's 470 times the AVERAGE paid worker. (nt) |
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comradebillyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. employees dont deserve to be paid |
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Don Claybrook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
17. I’ve seen the “value” of a CEO up close…not real impressive |
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Vitruvius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. I've seen 4 heads of Fortune 100 companies up close, when they were being |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
56. Wow, you could tell all that on a tour? |
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Vitruvius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:24 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. If you didn't know about Dubya, and met him for half-an-hour, |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:35 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. You might think so, you might also well be wrong |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:57 PM Response to Reply #67 |
90. are you a CEO? |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. In my best "Michael Kelso" voice (from That 70's Show)... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
102. Not a CEO, but I have been an entrepreneur |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:23 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Deleted message |
IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. Do you honestly think you're discussing the same kinds of people? |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 06:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Yes, I am |
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denverbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. I have no objection to good pay if they really are good. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
72. Performance based |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. Robert Townsend, CEO of Avis in the 60's, |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. How much more should a movie star make than the cameraman? |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The way a movie star or athlete's pay is determined is different. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 10:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. I don't know, the baseball union seems like it's got that beat |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
24. I voted for the flogging! |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
26. I suppose it depends on the size of the company |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
27. It should be illegal |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 10:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. LOL, what industry do YOU work in |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. That sounds reasonable to me. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. What CEO will work for that? |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I live in New York City. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Yes, it is asking how things should be |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 02:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Right. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
70. And THERE is where your argument falls apart like wet cardboard |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:06 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. "Insanely large" |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. About that 100K |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
103. The problem is how much more? How much less? |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. You're the one saying "the market" would move in... |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:14 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. I'm so glad you're here. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Some here, right above here in fact |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:25 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. On the flip side... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 06:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
115. OK, so how do you limit their salaries as well? |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:20 AM Response to Reply #45 |
69. If none of them were allowed to earn more than that |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:13 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. You can't make laws for the whole world |
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stopthegop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
108. So... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:35 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. The modern-day corporate CEO has no risks... |
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stopthegop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:40 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. CEO can also be sole owner... |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. It's been rumored that JFK was assasinated... |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:26 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. The JFK thing kinda ties into the FDR assassination plot.. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #51 |
84. Clearly, you don't know what CEOs do |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. I've got the JFK thing figured out |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
57. Why do they need that much? |
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Ksec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
28. Theyre overrated. |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
29. Big pay is ok sometimes... |
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NoMoreRedInk (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
32. I'm still kind of fond of supply and demand setting the price, but.... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. I don't really like setting a specific range |
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liberalcapitalist (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
38. as much as a FAIR market determines |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
39. In 1945, a note from my Dad |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Times have also changed |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 05:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Income used to be closer |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. In very few instances does labor earn more per person |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Income used to be closer |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
42. To me, it depends on how much work he does. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Perhaps you need to learn what they really do |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. That wasn't a blanket statement. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:13 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Sorry, seemed like it |
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dobak (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-03 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. Wesley Clark's take on this issue: |
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interceptor (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
60. Nope, quite a bit more |
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FDRrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
58. Abe Lincoln (first repub President) quote. |
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slaveplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
62. It's 400+ times according to Moyers |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
64. We're all good little capitalists, right? So, whatever the market allows |
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1songbird (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
74. No more than 10 times the average workers pay. n/t |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
75. I'd been wrestling with this question |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:07 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Good theory, but |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:10 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Exactly first thing I thought of Muddle |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:15 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. On the other hand |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:26 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I'm like your brother |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:59 AM Response to Reply #78 |
89. No, no high-end-salespeople |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:48 PM Response to Reply #89 |
112. Soros runs a hedge fund |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
79. Incentives for CEOs |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. No offense |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:28 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. What CEOs do |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. A lot more than schmoozing |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. There's a HUGE culture gap between us. |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:24 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. Very honest of you |
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rbnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 06:08 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. Replaceable People. |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
98. that is a private issue, not one the government needs to get into |
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ctex (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
101. Speaking as a CEO, about million times as much. |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
113. The stock option scam - how its a no lose proposition |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
114. Having worked for a couple of CEO's in the capacity of |
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