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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:39 AM
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Top secret 'advisor' dies violently in "suicide"
http://rense.com/general45/violnt.htm

Gus W. Weiss, 72, adviser to four presidents on top secret policy matters, died violently in Washington, DC, on November 25, 2003, but his death was not reported by The Washington Post until December 7, 2003, in the obitiuary section at the bottom of page C12.

"'He was wired into the intelligence community, and there were a lot of mystical secrets we weren't privy to,' said Harris Gilbert, a Nashville attorney who had been friends with Mr. Weiss since childhood. 'He was very interested in diplomatic strategy and was VERY, VERY OPPOSED TO THE IRAQ WAR. It was the first military action he ever opposed, but he believed we shouldn't go to war in the Middle East without knowing what we were getting into.'"

Questions:
On what basis did the medical examiner rule that it was a suicide?
On what basis could any mere medical examiner so rule, particularly when someone has died from a fall, presumably from a high altitude? All a medical doctor is qualified to do is to determine the cause of death. That, we are told, was "a fall from the Watergate East residential building."
How does the medical examiner know what caused the fall?


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wanderingbear Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:44 AM
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1.  Wouldnt be the first time
that a Bush had someone killed.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:48 AM
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2. It's raining men in DC
John Kokal from the State Department roof, Weiss from the Watergate.

Men who were opposed to the war in Iraq, and had access.

Where's the press? It's silent. Cowed, bought, and complicit.

Thread about Weiss's, ah, misfortune, from a few weeks ago in late-breaking news:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=258269
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demconfive Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:10 AM
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3. Interesting.



"Suicide by falling from a tall building" is a standard method of 'liquidation' in the CIA. I can't remember where I read that, but I suppose you could Google it. Sounds pretty fishy to me.
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bushedout Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:15 AM
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4. Tinfoil hat alert
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:31 AM
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5. What's going on?
Is NO ONE paying attention to what's happening? John Kokal "jumped" out of a window recently, and this just barely made the news.

There could be a conspiracy of some kind going on in Washington. EVERY single person who is in the administration and is against this war, or has publicly stated their position, should get a) a very good life insurance policy, b) stay away from windows, c) have witnesses around as much as possible, d) band together so that they can fight this.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:52 AM
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6. They should also not fly in small planes

or drive alone.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:17 PM
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7. I expect more of this.
Its very dangerous to cross the current administration.
Looks like they don't play well with others.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:28 PM
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8. God, this story is straight out of a Clancy novel...
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 12:29 PM by alg0912
The aging cold-warrior-spook comes out against his masters at a critical juncture of the game and then "commits suicide," despite having no known reason to do so. And he does it at such a dubious landmark - the Watergate? :eyes:

Did they dust his back for fingerprints? Any "plumbers" in the building at the time?
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:29 PM
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9. the bush body count grows...
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:36 PM
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10. Isn't it rare for
a 72 year old to commit suicide?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:41 PM
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11. ties in with "16 Microbiologist dead within 4 months following anthrax
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 12:49 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:06 PM
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12. kick
nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:24 PM
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13. needs a kick
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:27 PM
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14. Media complicity...
The media are like the three monkeys - deaf, dumb and blind. But they all know what's really going on.
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:30 PM
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15. ...found dead, dressed as a pheasant...
Edited on Sun Dec-21-03 01:31 PM by Bozola

apparently died of multiple, self-inflicted, shotgun blasts. Though the coronor ruled this a suicide, the police suspect fowl play.

The Vice-President could not be reached for comment.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 06:48 PM
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16. Lots of
"suicide" around BFEE.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:00 PM
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17. Sometimes a suicide is a suicide
I don't want to start sounding like the FReepers with their fanatic Vince Foster paranoia.

I think its interesting enough that someone who advised policy and who was opposed to the Iraq war would kill himself. Lets ask: What would be the motivation for killing himself. Maybe he gave some terrible advice about some warnings of terrorist activity, and he regrets his decision??? I am just speculating though.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 07:37 PM
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18. CIA assassination manual: a fall "the most efficient accident"
Both Kokal and Weiss fell from buildings. Not a common form of suicide, but according to the CIA, "the most efficient accident."

From a bona fide, declassified CIA assassination manual:

"The most efficient accident, in simple assassination, is a fall of 75 feet or more onto a hard surface. Elevator shafts, stair wells, unscreened windows and bridges will serve. Bridge falls into water are not reliable. In simple cases a private meeting with the subject may be arranged at a properly-cased location. The act may be executed by sudden, vigorous of the ankles, tipping the subject over the edge. If the assassin immediately sets up an outcry, playing the “horrified witness”, no alibi or surreptitious withdrawal is necessary. In chase cases it will usually be necessary to stun or drug the subject before dropping him. Care is required to insure that no wound or condition not attributable to the fall is discernible after death.

"Falls into the sea or swiftly flowing rivers may suffice if the subject cannot swim. It will be more reliable if the assassin can arrange to attempt rescue, as he can thus be sure of the subject’s death and at the same time establish a workable alibi.

"If the subject’s personal habits make it feasible, alcohol may be used to prepare him for a contrived accident of any kind.

"Falls before trains or subway cars are usually effective, but require exact timing and can seldom be free from unexpected observation. Automobile accidents are a less satisfactory means of assassination. If the subject is deliberately run down, very exact timing is necessary and investigation is likely to be thorough. If the subject’s car is tampered with, reliability is very low. The subject may be stunned or drugged and then place in the car, but this is only reliable when the car can be run off a high cliff or into deep water without observation."
http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Documents/Assassination%20Manual.html

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