does it worry you that GOP is "delighted" about Dean doing well?

I mean, we are having discussions on this decidedly progressive site about how well he would do on the national scale against Bush with his propped up war popularity.

I'm nervous. That doesn't mean I don't support him. I mean, I would LOVE it if we can get it done with a guy who is such a departure from "status quo" and the conservative pit bulls running around right now.

They're not delighted.

they're scared wit-less.

Julie

They're wrong about Dean's chances against Bush.

They said Clinton couldn't beat the first Bush in 1992, either.

I think it's wrong to count out any of the candidates (except maybe Sharpton) before the actual race gets going. But, no, it's much more fun for everyone around here to piss on every candidate they don't love with all their heart and soul....woo-hoo! Divide the party, yay!

NT

it's disinformation meant to defuse a populist candidate, hmmmm? They know that if they show they "like" one candidate, there will be a whole host of knee-jerkers who come out and say that that candidate is useless, and down he goes to defeat.

But, no, the GOP would never resort to anything like that, right?

ON EDIT: Besides, where do you get this information? Got any cites, or is this just another offhand rumor to discredit Dean?

Why are Rove and the GOP advertising that they are "happy" that Dean is doing so well?

We should choose our candidate based on who we think is the best one to defeat Bush, not based on who we think the other side is most afraid of. Doing the latter is merely a way to let them screw with our heads.

--Peter

the dixie chicks were finished and that hillary would be a massive flop next to coulter

i dont think they exactly have their finger on the pulse of america

Because I don't think Dean will be the nominee, frankly.

and if you can give us a link.

That is, before the poop starts flying, which should be right about . . .

NOW.

Sorry, I know you are probably sincere, but I'm sick of the backbiting on candidate threads.

I have seen enough of how candidates fare under the klieg lights once they are the focus of negative campaigns, etc. I truly am up in arms about the best way to go here.

I've admitted that I'm a lean toward Kerry, but I'm still getting info on how they have done in the past and what they are saying. I tend to think watching their record is the absolute best record of future performance...but I also have to realize the GOP is gonna go crazy with the attacks on whoever makes it through, and I want a regime change so bad I can taste it.

Just worrying out loud. Bush sure pulled a number on McCain. I don't think Bush truly "bested" GOre despite the best spin he received from the media, but he sure was able to make McCain look bad often enough that he lost.

So....just wondering. I do see a lot of people on the news shows who are republican goading the Democrat members to endorse Dean like they know it would be a perfect storm after that and a Bush cake walk.

http://www.jimgilliam.com/2003/07/republicans_for_dean.php

I'm not bringing up this thread to try discrediting Dean. What I'm saying is Dean campaign needs to think how to cancel this out early and show they have the PR apparatus in place to deal with Bush's smear machine that will go into overdrive once the political season heats up.

Just realize that much of America including Democrats across the heartland in battleground states are not as left as many of us here. I oughtta know. I used to live in Missouri--the epitome of battleground states and bellweather of how U.S. will vote for prez.

that people actually give credence to the opposition's preference in selecting our candidate. Do we have to run every decision by the GOP to see if they cringe or smile?

Let's call Rove and ask him who he would prefer to run against!!

I'm SURE he would tell the truth!! Right? Right? Right?

:eyes:

nm

California. We knew that a hard right candidate had no chance in California so we applauded when Simon won the nomination. I myself don't think the same holds true for a Liberal candidate but I could have my head buried in the sand also. I think the Republicans are thinking that Dean is an extremest Liberal and I just disagree. His record doesn't indicate that at all. I think they had just better be careful of what they wish for, they just may get it.

They are scared stiff about Howard Dean. They want to run against Lieberman.

Remember the pic of Karl Rover with the Dean People on the 4th? What do you think he was doing there? Taking notes, my friend so he can plan his strategy.

Karl to Dean Supporter: "So, why do you support this guy?" <scribble, scribble, file away>

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"nervous"...about lies...

The GOP is really tipping their hand on this early on. This way the Dean campaign can devise a counterstrategy.

here is comment about supporting the guy who makes it through and getting W out of there.

http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V14/7/reich-r.html

political tactic.

They're trying to make Dean sound like a pushover.

It's meant to make you doubt your choice...and choose someone else.

Actually it indicates they are worried they CAN'T beat him, so they don't want him to be the candidate.

The stories that are leaked and the carefully managed alleged Rove maneuverings aren't what should be watched if you want to see who they truly fear. The monies they spend and the attack stories are a better gauge of their true fears.

They're scared shitless of Edwards like they are of no one else because they know he has by far the best chance to beat him.

why should more left leaning candidates dry up and blow because moderates and conservatives think they should?
dean is bright articulate and can handle himself very well in a fight.
he's not going to pull any punches on that lower bar standard thing -- he will be merciless in a debate with george and de-shroud the evil imp. let america see the conniving witless toad they happily supported for so long.
maybe the public will learn a little of the guilt and shame they have coming as well.

they are scared of Dean - and the others too.

They want Lieberman. As any GOPer - and they'll tell you Lieberman is the candidate that moderate Dem's support. I don't know a single Democrat from my state (and I'm involved in local, county, and state Dem politics) who supports Lieberman. Not one. The pubs know that given a choice between a real Republican and a Republican calling himself a Democrat - the people will vote for the real thing.

if they really were happy, we would never hear it from them, ever! We are talking about the biggest liars in history.

I really think they are very, very unhappy about Dean.

EOM

Why? Because the Republicans aren't talking about how they want to run against them. Reductio ad absurdum.

listen to what the Repukes say because it's either a lie or an untruth!

.... tells me that that the right wingers are very scarred of Dean.
If they loved him and thought he was an easy opponent then thye woiuld gave him the kid glove treatment that they give the present administration's hacks and handlers. they are very afraid of Dean and I think that they should be!!

andyhammond1970

but they don't know who Dean is.

As far as responding to Republican attacks, the first step is to stop simply being the angry candidate and be the candidate of hope. Dean's already done that -- his speeches have changed. He's a step ahead of the game.

When we will we realize that ALL attacks on DEMS from the GOP are meant to divide us ALL, they are not aimed at just one group of Dean or Kerry supporters.

They dont care WHO they attack- so long as it is a Democrat- the object is to weaken us all.

Wake up folks! Division serves the enemy- dont fall for it!

just collecting the dirt to hit him with at the last minute. I think it's the same thing davis did out in california.

...make the Democrats pessimistic. Fear and negativity are Rove's best weapons. Offering positivity and hope can beat the GOP, imo.

I tell ya...when I go without hearing the reports here, I do tend to get freaky. very good insights...and here's what I think:

win or lose...we will go down fighting to the very last drop of sweat and very last breath. Weather it is Kerry, Dean or someone else....I will support them and drum up support for them.

At least Gephardt and Lieberman are looking worse and worse.

does not fool me.

Or unhappy, or afraid, or disgruntled?

about anything. Stop paying attention to the freaks