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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 03:27 AM
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China's Growing Nationalism a Threat (No Hypocrisy Here!)
Some clown from the New York Times wrote a generally good article about the rising nationalism in China. The problem is his stunning negligence in noting the similarities with another powerful country. Any names come to mind?

Also, I detected a little bias regarding China's history. After all, China WAS treated like a punching bag, by the United States, Europe and Japan. Is it any wonder the Chinese have a chip on their shoulder?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/153587_kristof23.html

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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 03:47 AM
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1. When will these other countries learn that nationalism is only for the US

Are they forgetting that they are all US property?

There have even been some reports of Iraqi nationalism being incited by terrorists, even though they know that Iraq is under punishment for this very same kind of misbehavior.

How shall America stamp out this nationalism in China?
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 04:08 AM
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2. I think the article is confusing xenophobia with nationalism.
Most people is China will never have the opportunity to travel to another country or talk to a foreigner. Only the very rich have much chance to talk to non-Chinese people on a regular basis. So a certain amount of xenophobia is understandable and may have been responsible for the attacks on Japanese tourists or the American embassy. Responding with fear and anger towards a percieved threatening Other isn't quite the same as nationalism however.
I'm living in Shanghai at the moment teaching English. Granted Shanghai is probably the most Western and materialistic city in China but I have yet to see any real evidence of rapant nationalism. I saw a hell of a lot more flag-waving Gestapo-wanna-bes in the US to be frank. People here are interested in making money and spending it, period. The major debate on a recent news show was whether or not people should get plastic surgery to get better jobs.
There is a certain sense that China may be losing some of its traditional values under a tidal wave of KFCs and cell phones, but again, the desire to preserve cultural heritage isn't quite the same as aggressive, expantionist nationalism. Most people I've met would be appalled at the idea of a war.
China just celebrated the second anniversary of its entrance into the WTO. It has the fastest growing economy in the world largely due to trade with the US. It has it's share of Freepers and isolationists but the majority of Chinese people are too comfortable with the status quo. Nationalism thrives in a climate of fear and economic uncertainty. China is the most economically confident place I've experienced since Seattle in the mid '90s.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 08:19 AM
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7. agreed
Most Chinese I know are avid capitalists and that most Chinese along the East Coast are very comfortable with the status quo.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 06:06 AM
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3. i don't know about anybody else
but i could use a teach-in on nationalism.
u.s. nationalism is a little different from others in that it generally it isn't sponsered by the state. very loose terminology here.
but i would love to learn more about nationalism as it affects say a country like china. similarities i can understand -- roots{yes i'm aware of china's colonial history, but the china abuses it's own people pretty good and seems to be aware of it} and how it's different in one global region to the next is where i get lost.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 07:07 AM
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4. The growing threat doesn't stop us from sending our jobs there.
Oy...maybe we are doing this to help build another cold war. Get China nice and powerful and then we can start rattling sabres at them and create jobs at home to help fund another war.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 07:48 AM
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5. The keyword is "National Interests"
Corporations are moving the vast majority of operations to China, abandoning the people that created the company and provided a market for their products. Its all about "shareholder value", in that the only people that matter are those that hold stock in the company.

The corporations are assuming of course, that the security of their investment in China is guaranteed by the US Military. If something goes wrong, such as China deciding to nationalize some industries, look for politicians to make calls to patriotism to defend our national interests, which now are located in China.

How ironic it will be that some 18 year old gets drafted to go to Bejing and reclaim the Levi's factory that his dad was layed off from in San Antonio?

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-03 07:59 AM
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6. But hasn't *'s uncle been over there for a while fanning the coals
of capitalism and duhmockrasee? China, the BFEE's next century project--a better deal, many more minions to be exploited. We're having to import minions to the US, so this cash cow has done been milked dry.
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