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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:05 PM
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Troop suicides raise red flag
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2027&ncid=2027&e=4&u=/chitrib_ts/20031226/ts_chicagotrib/troopsuicidesraiseredflag

LUFKIN, Texas -- Army Spec. Joseph Suell had been distressed before. He missed his wife and their daughters so badly last year that he was granted a short visit home from his yearlong assignment in South Korea.

It was a different story this year. In March, five months after completing his Korean tour and right after re-enlisting, the 24-year-old was sent to Kuwait and then Iraq.

The day after Father's Day, Suell died in Iraq, reportedly after taking a bottle of Tylenol. His death was classified as "non-hostile," but a military chaplain told Suell's wife, Rebecca, it was a suicide.

Suell's death comes at a time when the military is investigating the growing number of suicides by U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf region. Since the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in the spring, 18 soldiers and two Marines have committed suicide, most of them after major combat was declared over May 1, the military said.

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The coffin of Army Pfc. Jeffrey Braun is carried by officers after services at St. Edward Church in Stafford Springs, Conn., Friday, Dec. 19, 2003. Braun lost his life on Dec. 12 while serving in Iraq (news - web sites) from a non-combat gunshot wound. The officers carrying the coffin are from the 82nd Airborne B Battery 2/319 Field Artillery which Braun served with out of Fort Bragg, N.C. (AP Photo/Steve Miller)

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:23 PM
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1. Despair? Guilt?
What is driving these suicides? Are they unable to live with something they've seen? Or done?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:18 PM
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5. I wonder what the Iraqi suicide rate is
now that Bush has occupied their country, ordered his troops to raid their houses in the middle of the night and is selling Iraqi assets to his cronies.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:30 PM
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3. Suicides or murders?
If I was one who entertained conspiracy theories, I would wonder why there were so many suicides in Iraq as compared to Afghanistan or our other military operations...
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TolstoyAndy Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:48 PM
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4. Non-hostile ?
If a bullet comes into my body, my body classifies it as hostile whether my finger pulled the trigger or not.

It is telling that the one specific suicide they discuss is by pills, not gunshots.

Another link if Y! takes it down: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0312260174dec26,1,6709671.story

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:17 PM
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7. you mean like from here?
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hyeary Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:45 PM
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6. Cheap
The suicide rate of soldiers in Iraq is directly in line with the age group and civilian population at peace time....no need on our trying to cover that fact up. I don't think it serves any purpose to cheapen this tragedy by attempting a political point.

What would be the point, anyway? If someone kills themselves, the war is refuted?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:20 PM
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8. did you read the article?
your asinine point is refuted within
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hyeary Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:53 PM
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10. Mmmmm...
Perhaps you are seeing something there that I'm not, maestro...unless you are reading into it something that pleases you.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:43 PM
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12. Your point is addressed in the article
Both the Army's and the U.S. military's overall suicide rates are lower than a U.S. civilian figure altered to match the military's race, age and sex demographics, the military said. That adjusted civilian rate has been 17 to 19 per 100,000. The unadjusted civilian figure is 10.7, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites)'s latest statistics.

But comparisons between military and civilian rates are problematic, experts said. The military screens applicants, eliminating those with a history of suicidal tendencies, and then requires enlistees to attend suicide-prevention classes, experts said.

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hyeary Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:07 AM
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13. Incredible
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 10:10 AM by hyeary
Just for the sake of beating a dead horse, wouldn't you say that assuming the comparisons were 'problematic', and that the 'experts' (one of my favorite all-time vague, undefined words) were right, that the screening process cutting the number almost in half would make something approaching even?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:22 PM
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9. No, the war is refuted by Bush's numerous lies...
...lies that resulted in troops being dead, one way or another.

Bush lied about WMDs & Saddam's connections to 9/11 several times, causing many Americans to support a war that they would not have.

Lying is an impeachable offense, so long as it is "about sex." Lies that cause troops to die are given a pass by the media and so called "Christian" republican hypocrites.

Bush lied, troops died. There is no getting around this sad fact.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:27 PM
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11. Don't you think the military knows when it has a problem?
Or do you think they dispatched the study team on a whim?

"Suicide experts with military backgrounds say the 20 suicides so far in the Iraq conflict is a very high number. Using the military's 12-month rate of a dozen suicides per 100,000 troops, self-inflicted deaths this year in the Iraq theater should amount to no more than 13 at this point,"

"The Army is concerned about the deaths. Outside experts have said the rate is alarmingly high compared with the military's average suicide rate."

We took suicide prevention very seriously when I was a rifle platoon leader and rifle company commander. Didn't you have the same experience in the military? Leaders always had to be alert for potential stress problems with troops. Not just suicide, but mental breakdowns, as well.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:16 AM
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15. Good grief....
These freepers in DU clothing seem almost eager to try to get tombstoned before racking up a decent number of posts.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:12 AM
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14. These are only "suicides" in the clinical sense.......
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 11:17 AM by KzooDem
In reality, the blood of these young men and women (?? - not sure if any suicides have been attributed to female soldiers - does anyone here on DU know?)are on the hands of the Bush Cabal, as much as the troops who died in actual combat.

Whenever I read about these suicides, I am haunted by a story my father was haunted by from his 3.5 year tour of duty in the jungles of the South Pacific in WWII.

He was a commanding officer and one of his men went over the edge from the atrocities of war (my dad's words, not mine) and couldn't handle it. He shot himself. My dad faced two choices:

A)Document the death as a suicide, compounding his family's grief with the "disgrace" of knowing their loved one died by their own hand and compromise the benefits his family would have received; or
B)Document it as "killed in the line of duty."

The mensch he was, he chose "B." My dad felt (and knew) that this poor guy was as much a casualty of war as anyone killed in battle. I still have the yellowed draft of the letter my father wrote to the family.

I cannot fathom Bush ever having the compassion to write such a letter to those who have taken their own lives in Iraq.
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