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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 04:17 PM
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here's what America got because bush* de-regulated everything
1. mad-cow disease ruining our rural areas.
2. all Americans threatened by prions in their soap, gelatin (ice cream, icing, etc.), meat, potting soil, etc.
3. workers being criminally killed by OSHA failure
4. Mercury and Arsenic in OUR drinking water (long-term effects will come out LATER....but will include miscarriages, birth deformities, autism and more)
5. ENRON (bush* friend ken lay and his minions are still loose)
6. destruction of our forests
7. ruining OUR National Parks
8. stealing all the 'little people's' investments in broad daylight
9. BIG healthcare corporations profiteering off seniors/people with disabilities/those desparately needing medical care...
10. the WRONG flu vaccine and too little available.


please add more to this list...these bush* failures must now be impacting everybody in America...
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:09 PM
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1. Higher cable bills
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 05:10 PM by Ksec
less service .

Terrible customer service in any industry deregged
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:15 PM
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 08:59 PM
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7. The most entertaining anti-dish argument
is the "weather" one.

I can vouch that it's not always true. In February 2002, I went to one of my customers' homes (this one works out of his home) to update the software on his three computers. He has a satellite dish and is a freeper. It was raining cats and dogs that day--exactly the condition Time-Warner Cable says your dish will drop signal in. During the course of the day, we got to see Faux News for most of the day and the Winston Cup race the rest of it, and the reception on his dish was solid as a rock.

Unfortunately.

I work with quite a few people who have dishes, and they're all happy with them.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:26 PM
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10. I think those people must be f***ing idiots
I lived for two years with the dish in a farm in rural Texas - that dish survived a hail storm that caused $3000 damage on my car. And it never stopped working.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:13 PM
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:36 PM
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4. I'll bite.
I think amen1234's post is intended to be more of a provocative synopsis than an encyclopedia. All of the assertions would be well above the accuracy threshold typical of Republicans. That is not saying much, I guess. I agree that some of the statements could be better grounded, but that is not the purpose of the post, IMO. By and large, the gist of the poster's argument is correct.

It is undeniable that Bush and the army of government influence buyers in whose pocket he resides are deregulation nuts. I assume you aren't going to try to deny that.

Bush spends money like a drunk with his daddy's credit card (a role he literally played until he was forty) but still can't bring himself to use regulation to protect America and Americans. At the bottom line, regulations are simply laws.

Under Bush, no one has any responsibility to do anything. If you own a chunk of the country's food supply, well then fine, you own it. If you don't like inspections, that's your right. Just buy a Republican or two and get those pesky bureaucrats off your back.

Republicans hate lawsuits -- except for the one that put Bush in office.

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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 05:47 PM
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5. Your facts?
Some of the things on that list are obviously not caused directly by Bush, no argument there. Our agreement stops right there though.

Bush is not responsible for Mad Cow Disease. He also isn't likely to do anything substantive about it either. His approach appears to be to reassure the public, make light of the dangers, and protect the business interests involved. Interestingly enough, that is the approach John Major used in Great Britain. Wonder where he is now......

Prions are cells in the brain stem and spinal cord. Particular deformed ones are related to MCD. Do your own research.

Of course arsenic and mercury are present in nature. So is lead. Now go paint your house with lead based paint. This argument is silly, I am not getting drawn into it any further.

Bush isn't responsible for Enron. His friend is. Bush is supposed to see to it that Ashcroft prosecutes them. He isn't doing it. He is fired.

Destruction of forests. Yes he is. Again, I'm not doing your research for you. Just because you once saw a tree doesn't mean much. If dead wood needs clearing then it should be cleared BUT lumber companies don't much care about forest fire dangers. They operate for profit alone. If we want to protect forests WE need to do it not simply grant lumbermen free reign to cut them all down.

Our parks are NOT being protected. They aren't even being funded. So sorry, that money is needed to buy more bombs.

The Munchkin land comment is not worthy of response really. Go argue with a post on that one.

Healthcare profiteering. Medical malpractice insurance is NOT why costs are so high. Yes I know Repubs say that but it doesn't make it true. The reason to say that is to argue against lawsuits against healthcare companies. Gee, protecting corporate interests. Who would have thought a fascist would do that?

You make a good argument for taking the profit motive out of healthcare with your remarks about the flu vaccine. I'll let that stand.

"Folks, if you have a hope in hell of winning an election next November........."

I guess you didn't notice but "us folks" are the only ones allowed to post here.

Do have a Happy New Year though!!
:party:
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:09 PM
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6. your post distorts what I wrote....I never wrote 'bush caused....
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 07:32 PM by amen1234
what I posted was that bush* DE-REGULATION caused these major problems in OUR country....your post appears to be a faux - 'we distort' .....

yes, bush* de-regulated mercury from coal-burning power plants, and bush* de-regulated arsenic in drinking water...as I noted, the long-term consequences of this deregulation will eventually show up...many will DIE....

naturally occuring does NOT mean that arsenic is non-toxic....arsenic can and should be removed from DRINKING water in America, because it is TOXIC....de-regulating arsenic doesn't change arsenic's toxic effects....

skin cancer caused by drinking 'naturally' occuring arsenic, and this is why America must regulate drinking water and treat it to remove arsenic...





yes, bush* failed to fund Federal laboratories for the control of mad-cow disease...even after it showed up in Canada's and England's beef supplies...bush* just plain sat at his 'prairie chapel ranch' and DID NOTHING to regulate or even to TEST beef cattle...afterall, if bush* funded any Federal laboratories, toxins will be found...bush* loves the monkey approach..."no tests", which bush* thinks means 'no toxins'...all Federal laboratories have had funding cuts under bush*...and bush* minions are working hard to REMOVE toxins from the test lists...it's the monkey approach and it's a complete failure....

as far as 'little people' loosing their investments, you don't need to look far....thousands lost their investments when neil bush stole and was CONVICTED in the Silverado Savings and Loans collapse (while reTHUGlicans paid neil bush's Federal fines and neil never went to jail) in Denver...thousands lost their investments in the ENRON collapse, while bush* de-regulates money market accounts, energy, water, and more....just open your eyes to the money stolen during the bush* energy crisis in California....

your FLU excuse is EXACTLY the reason that PROFITEERING needs to be removed from diseases...those who profit from people with life-threatening diseases, or those people facing death from lack of vaccines are the most reprehensible....American is a GREAT country, it's time to remove the profiteers preying on those least able to defend themselves...seniors, people with disabilities, children...some of this can be changed by funding Food and Drug Administration laboratories and inspectors....yes, in this arena, bush* has de-funded so much that it's just a matter of time that more major issues arise (like OUR soldiers dropping dead from Anthrax vaccine)....


OSHA has been so de-regulated under monkey bush*, that the NYT had a three part series on workplace DEATHS during this holiday season...thousands of Americans continue to DIE under bush* failure to prosecute these criminal corporations (and those policies come right out of the bush*-supervised Justice dept)...so the DEATHS continue....it's no big deal to these corporations, they just contribute to bush* campaign funds and they get off with little fines...

the buck stops on bush*'s desk...bush* supervises and directs all these failed departments, whose policies of de-regulation and lack of legal enforcement are indeed KILLING Americans....


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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:02 PM
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8. Healthcare profiteering.
Insurance has become so expensive most people or hospitals cant afford it. And its not lawsuits driving rates. That was debunked in a study a while back that Im not digging up. Insurance is high because they are a fat blotted industry that have management making more than most countries yearly budgets.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:10 PM
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9. It was Louisiana that capped malpractice suits
It had no effect on insurance rates.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:37 PM
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11. * installed a former meat industry LOBBYIST

(as he did with EVERY other federal agency responsible for regulating EVERY industry)

profit always wins over protection. always.

we haven't begun to suffer the effects of bush's deregulation/profit strategies.

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 12:55 AM
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12. just wait until the de-regulation of the EPA catches up to America
for some long-term toxins, it'll take longer...but the short-term toxic effects are already showing up....

bush* EPA de-regulation will create so many deformed babies and autistic children that bush* will de-regulate his draconian abortion policies, just to be 'compassionate'....
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