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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:18 PM
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U.S. preparing genetic bomb for mankind


Imagine a bomb that only kills Caucasians with red hair. Or short people. Or Arabs. Or Chinese. Now imagine that this new bomb could be set off anywhere in the world, and that within a matter of days, weeks, or months it would kill every person on the planet who fits the bomb's profile, although the rest of us would be left standing».

You have just read the first paragraph from the article of Thom Hartmann titled «The Genetically Modified Bomb». We have decided to get you more familiarized with this article, since the subject is pretty interesting. But first here is a little bit about the author.

American writer Thom Hartmann has several awards for his writing achievements. He has written over a dozen of books many of which have become bestsellers. Besides, Thom Hartmann hosts several radio talk shows (including one syndicated daily talk show that runs opposite Rush Limbaugh in cities from coast to coast). He also founded 7 companies, opened up schools and hospitals on four continents.

And the bomb could go off silently, without anybody realizing it had been released - or even where it was released - until its victims started dying in mass numbers. Who would imagine such a thing? Paul Wolfowitz, for one. William Kristol for another». Here we should stop to remind who they are....

http://www.kavkaz.org.uk/eng/article.php?id=2188


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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:24 PM
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1. Hmmmmmmm...
Could this bomb be programmed for members of certain political parties???
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:41 AM
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8. First I laughed...THEN I cringed n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:29 PM
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2. Genetically, it wouldn't work.
It would have to be really specific, which means it would only target a small number of any population. To target something broader would pretty much wipe out a lot of people they might not want to.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:32 PM
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3. How about a totally stupid bomb?
Or the gullible bomb?

Apparently it has been launched.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 01:19 AM
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11. Stupid Is As Stupid Does
Yea, brother that bomb has been launched and the victims are the populace of these here un-united states! I demand that we retitle this country as STUPIDTRON, for it is so apropos!
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:40 PM
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4. Related snip and link from PNAC Documents
...And advanced forms of biological warfare
that can "target" specific genotypes may
transform biological warfare from the realm
of terror to a politically useful tool....


http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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cosmicaug Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 11:53 PM
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5. Reality challenged people.
The fact that the PNACers find this a worthwhile goal doesn't make it any less of a fantasy.

One of the things that we should have learned from having these people running the show is that their tendency to stick to their dogma at all costs makes them almost as reality challenged as the Soviet Union under Stalin (backing T. D. Lysenko because the guys at the top thought his "biology" meshed well with their communist dogma).
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cosmicaug Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:00 AM
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6. Addendum.
I wrote:
The fact that the PNACers find this a worthwhile goal doesn't make it any less of a fantasy.


However, the fact that they find this goal worthwhile does tell us something about the kind of people we are dealing with. One should think about this when tempted to take the position that there's no difference between Bush and assorted Democratic candidates (a la Ralph Nader in 2000). This is one reason why it's so important that Bush does not get re-elected in 2004.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:02 AM
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7. Right, CA.
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 12:03 AM by cliss
After studying a few of these "leaders" for a while, in and out of crises and subsequent calm, I have come to the same conclusion. Wolfowitz and Rummy in particular are two men who have a huge disconnect between their plans and reality. There is an eternity that separates the two, but they just don't see it.

Just reading Wolf's comments when he was dragged in to testify to some senate committe, I got the feeling that he has no idea why things didn't turn out the way he planned them in Iraq. I saw confusion, fear, disappointment over how things turned out. It's obvious he spends all of his time analyzing, planning with a pencil and paper.

These men are rigid to the point of psychosis. There is simply no room for the real world in their thoughts. It's too damn messy.

So it does not surprise me one bit that he should have picked up on the idea of a "selective" bomb. Wouldn't it be nice if he picked one that selected men with low IQ, pointy ears, with a tendency to messianic delusions?
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:42 AM
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9. Doesn't Actually Work
People are already "mutts" and becoming more so every day (says this Sicilian/Irish/English/Czech/etc.-ancestry DUer).
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:51 AM
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10. Kill them all
and let God sort them out?

It will be really interesting to see what comes up once the killing starts.
For example, white supremacist Strom Thurmond's genes are found in his black daughter Essie Mae Washington-Williams and THAT is just the beginning.
There are a LOT of causasian people out there who have ancestors they prefer not to acknowledge. Like old Strom, they can sit back sipping champagne at the Lily White Country Club, but an ethnic bomb would erase far more of them than will any Rapture.
Let me be blunt.
Suppose they try to wipe out Africans, AGAIN.
Well, that will take out the entire caucasian race at one fell swoop.

Everyone in Europe is descended from just seven women.
<snip>
His discovery also reinforces the theory that modern human beings have their origins in ancient Africa.
Professor Sykes found that the seven ancestral mothers have strong links to one of three clans that still exist in Africa today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/719376.stm

That still leaves Africa with two of the three original clans.
And that is BEFORE you get to see some of the foibles of DNA.
http://health.discovery.com/minisites/dna/glossary/glossary_identical_twins.html?spawn=1

Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham, and they are ALL genetically traceable back to him.
Therefore an ethnic bomb designed to eradicate Arabs would also wipe out all semitic Jews. The Sephardi are therefore opposed to such a thing whereas the other type of Israeli does not necessarily see this as a bad idea.
Since the bastards who came up with this idea do NOT know their own ancestry, they have NO guarantee that THEY will survive it, And if the scientists in the labs have any brains, they will design it to take out the twits who commissioned it in the first place.
Either way, we are all going to die anyway and NOBODY is going to get to take their loot with them. Ask King Tut.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 01:33 AM
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12. Genetic "Agroterrorism" Could Look Like an "Act of God"
as to whether or not gene-specific bioweapons might be used as a weapon of war or,
in the gloomiest of scenarios, as an instrument of global population reduction to
alleviate the inevitably drastic consequences of Peak Oil. FTW asked radio public affairs
producer and investigative journalist Kellia Ramares to take a critical look at whether
such weapons actually exist. While not definitively establishing that such weapons do
exist, Ramares had documented, in chilling detail, both their scientific feasibility of such
weapons and the fact that many nations have been actively pursuing them for some
time.


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/030403_genetic_p1.html
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 01:45 AM
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13. 9/11 was necessary to achieve the first part of their agenda
that is, to place our military, in perpetuity, in the Middle East region.

When it comes right down to it, the "need" to have a strategic armed force in the Middle East is directly related to Global Population Demand relative to Global Petroleum Supply. Whoever controls, strategically (militarily), the remaining and dwindling planetary oil reserves will control the fate of the contemporary world.

HOWEVER, keeping in mind that petroleum supply is directly related not only to energy consumption in the industrialized world, but most specifically AGRICULTURE -- both as energy to drive the machinery of agribusiness AND as fertilizers to enhance food production -- it becomes clear that mere strategic CONTROL of NON-renewable petroleum resources is NOT a sufficient term SOLUTION to INCREASING Global Demand.

ULTIMATELY, from a purely materialistic perspective, a dramatic, and most likely sudden, reduction in global population will be the ONLY, and FINAL, SOLUTION to the peak-oil problem.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:17 AM
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14. Horsecrap!!! Discover magazine did an article some
years ago on the genetics of race, and showed that there is no such thing as a definable gene for any particular race or group. I am not going to do the googling for a link.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:23 AM
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15. Buncha crap
Anybody believe in the Easter Bunny, too?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:32 AM
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16. well, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz believe it
that's scary enough to me.
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:49 AM
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20. My thoughts exactly
First "Bush caused the earthquake in Iran" and now genetic weapons....

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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:34 AM
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17. Good grief
I just awoke from a nightmare about being on some kind of large estate with a bunch of other people including Hitler (or perhaps he was just on his way), knowing the Nazis were about to bomb it and we would all die. So I come to DU, and the stuff here is even creepier, about the government causing earthquakes and staging implosions and developing bombs that kill people with certain genes.

Hey, I'm the first one to say if it's possible, we're working on it - but come on! How in the hell is this bomb supposed to work - fill the air with nanomachinery that remotely senses a person's DNA and then, if it matches a certain profile, goes kablooey? Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the article.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:11 AM
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18. How many bioweapons experts have had tragic accidents last couple years?

I can't remember the number.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:41 AM
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19. Listen up. The idea of a genetic "bomb" is old news.
Of course they have been trying for decades to come up with such a device. Let's not kid ourselves. What do you think things like the Tuskeegee experiments were really all about? I kinda think aids was cooked up in a laboratory. The only problem is, the racist fuckers found out that we really are one human race. It's impossible to isolate a "white genetic" makeup from a black one and so on. Doesn't keep 'em from trying to find the magic bullet though.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:17 AM
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21. AIDS developed in a lab? No Way. Here is why.
AIDS has now been documented as appearing in West Africa as early as in the mid 1960's. That was long before RDNA technology was invented. Humanity didn't have the ability, even if the evil controlers that you conspiracy theorists dream of has wanted to, it just wan't possible.

Tinfoil hatters amaze me the way you can come up with ridiculous schemes that aren't even physically possible. In this case you are imagining futuristic technology to have existed over 40 years ago.
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