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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:28 PM
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Did Governor Gary Locke, Boeing and Bill Gates know about 9/11 in advance?
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 04:38 PM by JailForBush
As most of you know, LIHOP and MIHOP are acronyms for "Let It Happen On Purpose" and "Made It Happen On Purpose," in reference to two major theories regarding the terrorist attacks of September 11: George Bush Inc. knew the attacks were coming and intentionally let them happen, or it was actively involved in planning or carrying out the attacks.

Among the evidence supporting either theory are claims relating to the Stock Market. I forget the particulars, but I believe certain stocks rose or fell significantly shortly before the attacks, suggesting that certain individuals expected the attacks. Many people have also noted the astonishing speed with which the Republicans exploited 9/11; had they already written the Patriot Act in preparation for the big bang?

If the Republicans and/or their corporate handlers were part of the 9/11 conspiracy, were any players in state government also tipped off?

Here in Washington State, corrupt Democrats - from Governor Gary Locke to King County Executive Ron Sims to the Seattle City Council - emulated George W. Bush in exploiting citizens under the guise of fighting terrorism. Boeing really stuck it to us, and the Seattle Times and Seattle Post-Intelligencer worked especially hard at convincing readers of the importance of trashing environmental regulations as fast as possible.

I can't really testify to the timing; they may have simply followed George Bush's lead, rather than waiting for some prearranged signal. But the two-party system is largely a myth in Western Washington. Billionaire Craig McCaw promoted the late Seattle Schools Superintendent John Stanford - a retired general and friend of Colin Powell - as the best choice for the next U.S. Secretary of Education, and Al Gore wrote the foreword to Stanford's bizarre book. That's the same Craig McCaw who hosted George W. Bush when he visited Seattle several weeks ago.

What really intrigues me is something I was recently told about an alleged change to Washington State teachers' salaries. If I understand it correctly, teachers were formerly allowed to choose between Plan 1 and Plan 2, but they were recently offered a Plan 3, which sounds like some sort of privatization model. It sounds like a big cheerleading campaign promoted Plan 3, which involved investing retirement funds. I was told that something like 80% of the teachers fell for it - and lost a fortune when the economy went into a tailspin.

I don't know how accurate this report is. I worked in education myself up until not too long ago, but I never paid too much attention to the retirement system, because I knew they were going to screw me regardless. Also, I don't know yet how long ago this alleged new retirement system was implemented.

But if it's true, it's interesting to speculate that certain corporate powers and government thugs were told to promote it heavily - before the economy tanked. Of course, it's also possible that they were told to promote it within a certain timetable, with no mention of what was going to happen on September 11.

In summary, if George Bush, Inc. really did know about the pending terrorist attacks on September 11 and made advance plans for exploiting the terrorist attacks, it's intriguing to speculate that certain key players among state governments and/or corporations (e.g. Bill Gates and Craig McCaw) were also part of the conspiracy.

If true, I suspect there's a actually a formidable body of evidence that will help make the case, once people start looking for and documenting it.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:46 PM
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1. The larger the conspiracy the more quickly it becomes public
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 04:46 PM by Caution
IF there were a conspiracy (which I do not believe), it is very unlikely that it went beyond a very small group of people.

I subscribe more to the total incompetence theory or as I call it the TIT. They should have known but they chose to ignore the signs out of arrogance (no one would dare do something like that!) or just plain stupidity ("I Know The Human Being And Fish Can Coexist Peacefully" --- George W. Bush)
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MR. ELECTABLE Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:53 PM
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2. Oh, there were people who knew about it in advance all right...
Remember all of the interesting stock trading that happened the day before 9/11? People were dumping airline stocks and stocks of companies that headquartered in the WTC. Could have been foreign investors with connections to Al Queda, the Sauds, or any number of different people. The facts of these stock trades show SOMEBODY knew about this beforehand.

OTOH, I do think the TIT applies with respects to our federal government, especially with regards to the moronic Bush* administration.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:31 PM
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4. Stock trading is one thing
First-hand knowledge of a terrorist attack of the magnitude of 9/11 is another. I'd be curious how much of that trading was institutional in nature, how much of it actually occurred and who did it. Without that information, any talk of this being somehow a larger conspiracy with that as the primary evidence is just silly. All we know is that there was an increase in these trades. A conspiracy theory would hold a lot more water if this was done by one person or a very small group. As of right now there is no way of knowing who was actually involved. It could have been coincidence (I know most conspiracy theorists dont believe in coincidence apparently...but i think that is just a big conspiracy to hide the fact that coincidences happen all the time!)
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:18 PM
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5. The stock trading wasn't done by
institutions. It apparently was done in two or three accounts and the profits, at last telling which goes back to six months or so after 9/11, were never claimed.

Supposedly Merrill-Lynch has absolutely no idea who made those trades, which I find completely unbelievable.

I think Greg Palast covers this in his book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy." It was widely reported in the weeks immediately after Sept 11, but just died because of the above mentioned claim that the trader was unknowable and the money never claimed.

I almost wonder if the person who did the trades didn't simply overhear some sort of rumor about American and United taking some kind of a big hit, making those trades, and then being completely horrified at what really happened.

What I can't figure out, with my limited knowledge of the airline industry and stock trading, is what would make someone so certain the stock of those two companies would go down so drastically after the events of Sept 11, 2001.

My other tin-foil hat theory is that a time-traveler with no conscience whatsoever did it. Imagine you could go back in time far enough before your own era that the things that happened have no emotional impact on you. And you can profit from your knowledge. Think the South Seas Bubble or the Tulip mania of several centuries ago.

Anyway, I don't expect anyone to take a time-traveler idea seriously.
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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:56 PM
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3. Logic does indeed dictate that a conspiracy of this magnitude should
be limited to a small group of people. But consider the following:

1. Vast conspiracies involving large groups of people have occurred. One of the best examples is public education. Phenomena such as teacher bashing and high-stakes tests aren't random local events; they're occurring nationwide, even in different nations. The Education Mafia includes literally thousands of people, and their ability to keep secrets is almost unbelievable. Even if you tackle an isolated local aspect of the Education Mafia - like a derelict principal in Seattle - you'll find it almost impossible to find any teachers or parents, let alone school and teachers union officials, who would testify against said principal in court. It's truly amazing; almost unbelievable.

2. A conspiracy wouldn't have to share ALL its secrets with all members. Rather than tell Bill Gates, "terrorists will attack America on September 11," they could just say, "something big is coming down the pike, and we'd like you to do ."

As far as I'm concerned, evidence that George Bush at the very least KNEW about a pending terrorist attack is overwhelming, as is evidence that the government and corporations were ready to exploit the attack when it occurred. I'd just like to know the extent of their network.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 08:47 PM
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6. The Information Architecture of Evil (bigger is better)
Scroll down for the article, which posits that the larger the conspiracy the harder it is to figure it out. It's fascinating.

http://www.zpluspartners.com/zblog/
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