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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 04:58 PM
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Possible reason for Iranian Earthquake?
Has anyone seen any reference to back my hypothesis that the possible reason for the massive Iranian earthquake was the destabilisation of the land mass structure in the region because of the intensive bombing in Afghanistan and later in Iraq.

If so, any references, even ridiculing this hypothesis, would be most valuable for me.

Thanks

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:00 PM
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1. a volcano erupting
can have the force of roughly 10,000 hiroshimas and even that doesnt cause earthquakes. a bunch of 5000lb bombs would barely even register.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:04 PM
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2. Sorry, Jacob, it's tin foil time
Iran lies on a belt of earthquake faults, and has a history of bad quakes. You can check it out. Take a sauna, then chill.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:28 PM
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8. A hypothesis remains a hypottheis
I am looking for references and not comments.

The reason is that I have postulated a hypothesis and want to use references to destroy it, not necessarily to prove it.

The influence of external forces, gravitational, stellar, inter stellar are all cumulative effects even as the small tides seen on earth are related to the pull of the moon. If the pull of the moon can move water, water can build enormous pressures which can cause destruction. So it is not necessarily the magnitude of the power but the way the power is confined and transmitted that makes an impact.

Hence, it is not necessarily the power of the bombing campaign but whether the bombing was in critical zones where stresses were caused or relieved that are important.

As I said, I am looking for references of scientific bodies, leading scientists, etc. countering the hypothesis. TILL THEN IT REMAINS A HYPOTHESIS and no more.

Have enjoyed my sauna for this evening, thank you.

Regards

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:49 PM
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10. I'm sorry, but it is not an hypothesis
there must be at least a small amount of supporting evidence to suggest the idea presented in an hypothesis. Your idea does not even rise to the level of the hypothetical at this point. It is merely supposition until you can present at least one shred of supporting evidence.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:05 PM
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3. Plate Tectonics?
:shrug:

Dunno...just seems like macro-geological processes will continue despite the activities of man.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:18 PM
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5. Damnit! Beat me to it.
Plate tectonics rule.
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:10 PM
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16. right, all the bombs in the world don't rival the energy involved...
in plate tectonics or other geological events...
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:41 PM
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23. You're right...they don't
...

(And, oh, by the way...not "all the bombs in the world" were used in the ME)
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junker Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:10 PM
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4. actually sun and solar phenomena related
and linked to the Ca quake

have a lookie here

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHUE_QRT1_04_EQ.htm
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:25 PM
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7. But who controls the sun?
Muhahaha...
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:24 PM
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6. Zilzal's R US
As someone who's spent a few years poring over medieval chronicles from the region--earthquakes (zilzal) are a constant. Between that and flooding of the Tigris on a regular basis (not a modern occurence) it's a rough area to live in.

Simply put-- this has been going on for centuries upon centuries. And will continue to do so.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:45 PM
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9. Link. Apparently bombs just don't have that much energy
http://geology.about.com/library/weekly/aa033102a.htm

But small earthquakes can be triggered by deep water injection/withdrawl and filling reservoirs.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:53 PM
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11. Why don't you google "tectonic plates"
A little science goes Waaaaay further than those shiney hats you guys wear.

Oh, by the way, the earth is still round.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:55 PM
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13. it was BEFORE we bombed Iraq
I will post my hypothesis tomorrow on the lounge, it's bad.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 05:53 PM
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12. hahaha
you're one funny dude. If you aren't kidding....hahaha X 100.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:01 PM
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14. why only 2 killed in US?
this is what doesn't add up: the earthquake jarred the US few weeks ago was as violent as the one in Iran, and as people only lived here in large numbers for couple hundred years, they haven't the trauma-impressed knowledge of how awful earthquakes are...while the Iranians have thousands of years of exactly that! I understand the effect of poverty and so on (mostly the dirt poor die in earthquakes, and as there are NO buildings etc put up by them in US only 2 people died) still one would think the Iranians would be at an advantage... when compensating for local potential problems....c'mon...you don't put lil babies to bed on beach just prior to high tide coming in!
Actually, very little in this world makes sense anymore....didya hear about the sick cow who couldn't walk to its doom?...it was 'dis-eased!' (and canadian born)
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:52 PM
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20. Two words:
Building codes.

Actually, a look at the structural integrity of the buildings in Tijuana (compared to those in neighboeing San Diego) is quite frightening, and an excellent example. They're made of wood and bricks, for the most part, and without structural steel.

It's illegal to build out of brick in most parts of the American west coast, and has been for decades (if you see any newer brick buildings in California, Nevada, Oregon, etc., it's either non-structural or a simple facade); brick just doesn't weather earthquakes, but it is cheap, so places that are either poor or without decent building codes still build with it.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:52 AM
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28. Bingo. Compare the Armenia and SF/Oakland quakes...
...back in the 80s. Both about 6 on the Richter, but in the SF bay area heavy damage was limited to a few small zones and loss of life was mostly from one section of 2-level highway pancaking, whereas Armenia had widespread damage and tens of thousands dead, thanks to shoddy building practices in the Soviet Union.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:04 PM
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15. Interesting hypothesis
I know one of my fears about The Yucca Mt nuclear
waste dump is that it sits on 3 fault lines .

Do bombs create the pressure necessary for a release
shift of tectonic plates
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:26 PM
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17. Tesla Howitzer!
Haha, made you look!
:+

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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:28 PM
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18. I liked the theory presented in "Conspiracy Theory"
They blamed NASA for the earthquakes. Though your theory is probably more accurate.
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EDT Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:44 PM
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19. Not much to add except hello from a fellow Finn-
Though I'm a US citizen, my dad was from Evijarvi. Came over right after WW2.

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:28 PM
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21. Wasn't there another thread on how RWers were gullible?
well they're not alone.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:36 PM
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22. They should REALLY start teaching SCIENCE in school....
good grief....
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:50 PM
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24. Obviously it was chemtrails.
Those idiot educators did not have faith in the 4-sided harmonic time cube.

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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:31 AM
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25. Possible Earthquake cause
Could possibly be due to shifting of techtonic plates. I know i know, tinfoil hat time.
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pnziii Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:35 AM
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26. Here's a different theory
Check out something called HAARP.

It's a massive project in or near the south pole. It generates huge radio frequencies. Someone has made the claim that every time they power it up there are earthquakes. It's possible if the electro magnetis field it generates is big enough to affect the earths magnetic field.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:00 AM
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30. another--pumping into aquifers
we had an earthquake here in Denver back in the 60s--scientists theorized it was caused by massive pumping of wastes into underground aquifers. I don't know if it was true, but Rocky Flats was forced to stop that practice as a result of the controversy.

But I don't believe the US had anything to do with the Iran earthquake--they are just unfortunate to be placed on the wrong coordinates. They need to improve their structures. Poor people everywhere are major victims of this kind of ruling-class parsimony.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:43 AM
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27. Rain and snow in California.
just think about how much weight torrential rains add to the weight of the earth along the San Andreas fault...or the weight of all that snow in the Sierras- and those type of annual events don't do anything as far as stimulating earthquakes.

Bombs don't cause earthquakes.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:54 AM
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29. Consider it ridiculed
Hogwash.
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ChemEng Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 11:21 AM
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31. Solar Storms a Possibility?
I posted this link before, and while not the theory is not proved, it is amazing how much geologic activity occurs in tandem with the 11-year solar cycle. The thought is that large magnetic solar storms have an impact on the earth's molten iron core. It makes some sense to me if you think of the iron core at the earth's center as a stator in an electric motor. It is what provides the earth the magnetic Van Allen belt that protects us from cosmic radiation. When a solar flare occurs, it perturbs the magnetic field, and as Newton would say, an equal and opposite reaction must occur from the collision with the earth's magnetic field.

http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1416/

The idea that humans could somehow set off an earthquake with 2000-lb bombs is just a little bit ludicrous. Just think of the large underground A-bomb tests in Nevada. I never heard anyone link an earthquake in California to those tests, and that was a hell of a lot more power. We humans may have the power to screw up a lot of things in nature, but I'm afraid this is not one of them.
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