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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:23 PM
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Kurds Captured Saddam
http://www.dozame.org/article.php?story=20031220225719924

I totally believe this story and waited for it to debut in the American press for nearly 10 days now, but it was only mentioned in passing by Keith Olberman and Anderson Cooper as if they were delivering a punch line to a bad joke. This story was picked up in Australian, English and Scottish newspapers, but never given any credence here.
It reminds me of the real Jessica Lynch story that was reported by the BBC and summarily panned by the american news media who would have us all believe that Jessica was shot, stabbed and went down in a hail of gunfire. I guess it's just another story that has sunk like a rock in the american pond scum that we call our media.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:26 PM
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1. It would explain his appearence too.
Kurds probably DID capture Saddam.

Now prepare yourselves for the first Bush Show Trial of an election year.:puke:

Mind control?
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:27 PM
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2. please
don't insult pond scum! American journalists are much lower than that!
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:29 PM
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3. American Journalists?
Thats almost an oxidol moran. Except for guys like Will Pitt.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:33 PM
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4. Didn't the Kurds HATE Saddam?
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:53 PM
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5. Saddam was held as a
bargaining chip for negotiating Kurdish independence and the 25 million was paid under the table, I suspect. Remember the riot for independence in Mosul shortly after his capture?
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:57 PM
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6. Alas and alack
My friend (Guns) says he has heard this, but doesn't believe it because the article always refuses to name its sources. After all, unnamed sources can be made to say anything. I wish I could find a article on the subject that gives the names of the people saying that the Kurds caught him and left him for us to find...
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Gulf Coast J Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:00 PM
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7. How did he end up in that hole then?
I thought the house belonged to a former cook of Hussein. If the Kurds captured him, was the cook in on the deal too?
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:12 PM
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9. It was cordoned off and guarded by US troops
til special ops could get there for the exchange and photo op.
When you see the photos of Saddam getting his "dental exam" and being checked for lice, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see he was drugged to the gills. He was reported as being very docile and cooperative, all the sudden the next day he was belligerent and hostile, uncooperative and called a "wise ass" by a officer from CENTCOM. A fairly notable mood swing in a 24 hour period.
Anybody that cared enough to harbor Suddam and risk his life would have atleast given him a comb and a bar of soap, don't you think?
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:04 PM
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8. Here's another LINK with more info
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:53 PM
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10. Josh Marshall mentioned that he thought it didn't hold up to scrutiny,
although he said he'd make a few phone calls. Apparently the original reporter (Yvonne Ridley) was captured by the Afghani's and converted, so she isn't believable anymore. Really! Check out his website and scroll down for the article. Then clink on the link about Ms. Ridley.

Hopefully Marshall will post more info after the holidays when he can contact his sources: Here's a snip and the link.

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(December 22, 2003 -- 09:09 PM EDT // link // print)
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_12_21.html

There's been a story making its way around the web, to the effect that Saddam wasn't really captured by the Americans, but was actually captured by the Kurds, drugged, and then and dropped off somewhere where the US Army could find him. In the backgroundis some sense that there were negotiations perhaps for money or possibly to augment the Kurds' standing in post-war Iraq.

Nor is the story only in obscure publications or conspiracy sites. It's been picked up by Agence France Presse and Bloomberg. It's even linked now on Drudge's site.

So, I've had a slew of readers write in to ask, Is there something to this story?

In a word? No.Obviously a single word seldom covers things adequately. So permit me a few more.

I've been far too busy to do any reporting on this. But I have looked at the published stories. And I've seen nothing that makes me think this is true.

First, the fact that the story ran in AFP means little in this case. Because if you look at the AFP story they seem to have done no original reporting. They only reported what ran in the original story which appeared in Britain's Sunday Express. (The Bloomberg wire story picked it up from AFP. So same difference.)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:48 PM
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17. Democracy Now also did a piece on it
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 05:48 PM by CatWoman
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/23/1559234

about Ridley:

Yvonne Ridley, freelance journalist and author. Yvonne Ridley is a veteran journalist who has written for various British publications including The Observer and The Independent. She left the full-time staff of Sunday Express in December 2001. She did some work for BBC radio in Afghanistan and for Channel Five news in Iraq. She was recently fired amid controversy from her editorial position at AlJazeera.net. In September 2001, Yvonne Ridley was imprisoned for 10 days by the Taliban in Afghanistan after being caught disguised in a burqa on the back of a donkey while on assignment for the Sunday Express. At the time, the Taliban had barred entry to foreign correspondents. She has published a book of her account entitled In the Hands of the Taliban. Her latest book is Ticket to Paradise, a fiction, due out at the end of the year.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:11 PM
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11. Just curious, but
why do you totally believe this story?

I don't know whether it's true or not, but any news coming from the Middle East I view skeptically, I mean I still remember the Arab press during the Arab-Israeli wars claiming incredible victories over Israel which turned out to be completely made up. Of course then there's Baghdad Bob, whose rantings were reported as fact throughout the Arab press.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:12 PM
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12. The Kurds would have killed him
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:12 PM
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13. The Kurds would have killed him
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supercrash Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:33 PM
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14. They would have killed him
Not if they wanted to take revenge on the US for the crushed uprising after the first war

A talking Saddam can be very damaging
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:40 PM
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15. I was watching CNN when the story broke...
and I would SWEAR they initially said the Kurds had captured Saddam. Then they never mentioned it again. Anybody else recall hearing this?
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berxwedan Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:37 PM
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16. Saddam Hussein was probably captured by the Kurds
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 05:39 PM by berxwedan
My information here could be "biased" because I am a Kurd myself. I am from the Turkish-occupied Kurdistan. A "Turkish Kurd".

The story about Saddam Hussein being captured by the Kurds could be true. The commander behind this capture IS capable of doing something like that. Kosrat Rasul is a fierce peshmerga commander. Most of the news were published by Kurdish sources just before USA went out and said that Saddam Hussein finally was captured. Initial sources said that Kurdish forces under Kosrat Rasul had captured Saddam Hussein and held him until US forces could come and get him. It was believed that he was in Kurdish hands for more than one and half to two months.

Let me recall.. Wasn't November a very busy month for the US forces? Of course, the Iraqi forces under Baath wondered where their leader was. Don't you think? Kosrat Rasuls party PUK was also under heavy attack.

The best sources are always the core sources. Check Kurdish sources: DozaMe.org, KurdMedia.com or KurdishInfo.com.

Check the month of November for the US troops: http://cryptome.org/mil-dead-iqw.htm (Calendar of
US Military Dead
during Iraqi War)

Do a little research and you'll probably find the truth yourself.

Happy new year!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:50 PM
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18. Happy New Year to you, too, berxwedan
and welcome to DU!!

:hi:
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