Freepers going NUTS over the immigration deal!!

So Sweet!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1053407/posts

To: sarcasm
President Bush, is wrong on this one. He is pandering. With the slate of jokers lined up on the Democratic side, he does not need to do this to win the election. As a matter of fact, screw ups like this could cost him many more votes than it will gain him! If Pat Buchanan or someone else decides to run against him as an independant...I shutter to think how close we may come to having Dean as commander in chief!

9 posted on 01/07/2004 11:13:07 AM PST by tuckrdout

To: sarcasm
I have been a strong supporter of George Bush since he became President. But this new immigration policy rips it with me forever. We should be worrying about the military and the veterans and their families instead of these illegals. I hated President Clinton for the way he thumbed his nose at the law, and now Bush is doing the same thing. I do not plan to vote in 2004.

12 posted on 01/07/2004 11:17:35 AM PST by Sangria


To: ken5050
I, for one, (I am not saying that you are claiming this) do not see any Bush victory as good for republicans. There are some victories that tell me he is not the man we thought he was when we voted for him. This is the last straw for me. I am almost thinking of voting in the Dems. Why not? The sooner the end comes the sooner we can start over.

16 posted on 01/07/2004 11:27:18 AM PST by raybbr

Ahhh...I love the smell of illiteracy in the morning.

hilarious!

Hey freepgrrl, shut'er down and come over here, I'm fixin' to think about sumpin!

Freeper Rethugs HATE HATE HATE anything that will allow more 'furners' into the country.

And I'm listening to a speech and Bush is essentially saying "yeah for immigrants! they clean our dishes, houses and fight our wars so our pretty white children won't have too."

The Thought Police(freeper moderators) are having a tough time deleting the Bush bashes.

in our military to attain citizenship and to help keep the draft at bay.

I noticed that many pundits are also saying this will help the economy by giving corporations are larger pool of low-wage workers


how that helps anyone but the super-rich is beyond me...

when bush resurrected this was that he may lose more votes than he gains. we can only hope.

ALL of his policies do NOTHING to benefit them. Bush's impetus is to enrich the already rich. Unless all these freepers are CEO's I have no idea WHY they'd support this bootstrap-cutter.

in the top 1%. That sounds right to me because my brother and his wife are in that 19%. The point is, so many THINK *'s policies help them when in actuality, they don't. The southern voters(Joe Sixpack) are a prime example.

yet I'm afraid that if many of them don't vote for him they may just not vote instead of voting dem. that would be a bad scenario, Bush losing voters who don't come to our side. If the hispanic vote gets energized and out for this one then dems will need to pick them up wherever they can.

another possibly good thing I saw there is the veterans comment. IF any of these candidates can prove they will actually take care of the veterans or are proud of their vet status they may bring some over

Unless a 3rd party candidate runs.

It's a VERY good thing. It's the next best thing to their defection over to our side. But if they won't, at least they're not adding another vote to his pile. And ANY of that is a VERY good thing. We need BOTH circumstances in play - defections and avoidance. They're both beneficial for us.

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grendelsuncle (206 posts) Wed Jan-07-04 02:10 PM
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Many of you know I have access to blast-faxes, well listen up.

This immigration reform may blow up in Rove's face. His thought was simple; go after N.M, Arizona (this is based on the thought that Dean has the nomination and that Arizona will never, ever vote for Dean), and make dems. spend time and money in Cali.

But it has pissed off the right. They could forgive the deficit, but the illegal immigration stuff is just too much to handle. Word is, unless Bush does the usual say one thing/do the opposite, there WILL BE a candidate of the paleo-conservative variety. The new budget about to be revealed will not be enough. They don't trust Rove. Say one thing for the paleos: they have firm ideological/philosophical beliefs. Opening the borders VIOLATES those beliefs. Tancredo in Colorado is going ape-shit.

Rove is scrambling right now. Here's the spin you are going to hear: allowing illegals the right to work will allow us to keep tabs on them and will, in fact, make us safer. Yes, the logic is laughable. But didn't you hear: it will make us SAFER. Remember, the terrorist infiltration in Iraq was good because the terrorists were fighting us there and not here at home. Keeping track of illegals is simply an extension of this bizzarro logic. But Rove knows the American public ate it up the last time.

Keep your eyes open to these developments. If Bush/Rove blinks on the immigration reform, you know there was a palpable threat.

They are all so greedy they will fall on their own stupidity. Let them piss off the republicans.

in California? Well, since it is coming from the Chimp this time it will make sense.

Here's the spin you are going to hear: allowing illegals the right to work will allow us to keep tabs on them and will, in fact, make us safer

Man what a difference a spokesman makes. Next Arrnooold will jump on board.

yet the 19 9/11 hijackers were all in this country LEGALLY


they pretty much spin everything as making us safer, don't they?

The funny part is raybbr's final comment.

the funny thing is, things end much quicker under the Emperor.

The environment, the economy, the justice system, civil liberties, and on and on and on, the destruction of which all exacerbated by Bushevik Looting.

Ha Ha. Pretty funny that this Brownshirt wants to end it so he can start again. And by voting Dem (which this Brownshirt will ever do...Brownshirts traditionally cannot abandon Der Fuhrer) he actually prolongs the end.

about it maybe that Hispanics will see thru it and not be fooled to this vote pandering if you will. Another one of those unfunded mandates/initiatives that have fooled the Democrats so often. "Fool me once" er er fool me. Will the Democrats be co-opted into this too? I seem to remember that some Democrats voiced illegals earning citizenship but as to specifics not yet worked out. This would be expected of democrats since they stand for inclusion but not Republicans so I say they stole it from Democrats just like the 'No Child Left Behind' came from democrats 'Leave No Child Behind' program and was actually hailed by Ted Kennedy until they realized they had been had because it became a program w/o funding. This is nothing but a smokescreen for votes and will never be funded to any extent and will fall by the wayside if passed...........

Hopefully this immigration deal will backfire on Bush.

Say Hello to my Little Friend!!!

:D

:) I love that movie.

Great Depression, he wants to do this. Everything he does is for the biggest corporations.

If a true Conservative runs, kiss your second inaugural ball goodbye Freepers!

:dem:

if I knew that the corporations that run the government weren't going to make a profit. But that's all this will end up being. That's all anything is ever about. You've got Bush talking a good talk, but everything is about money. People thought NAFTA was going to work. What's it done? What's this new program going to do? Just like everything else, it will be fine at first, you'll hear good things, then eventually it will crumble. There's something behind it. Or there will be when the rules are changed or manipulated. Same stuff, different day.

The sad thing about freepers is that they should be on the same side as we are on a lot of issues, but they are deluded into thinking that some GOP swells are looking out for them. Even if you are motivated by greed, the GOP is not your friend if you work for a living.

In some ways, this rightist "loyalty" is good for progressives. It takes the ideological impetus out of the right. They get to tacitly support things they don't like. That is demoralizing over time. We'll see how it plays out. Amnesty is crucially important.

is not yet a freeper. True freeps are already 100%, clinically, batshit. However, a few of the clowns you linked us to sound like they're just about ready to earn their spurs.

they were thinking. Pigboy was talking about getting callers that are livid with Bush over this. He talked about how they are frustrated with the social support in the form of health care, etc, extended to them. "Do you want cheaper lettuce or a lower tax bruden?" was his approach, from the limited time I could stomach listening. He said they were mad enough about Davis giving them driver licenses in CA, and now Bush wants to give them jobs?

Uh, they already HAVE jobs...

God...they are so stupid!

To: All
We all may be complaining about Bush but the people who got the biggest kick out of this thread are the DUers. They are practically drooling about this thread! CLICK AND RIGHTLY SO!

383 posted on 01/07/2004 12:21:02 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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It was good 'watchin.

to take jobs that immigrants come to this country to do. My neighbor, a college educated man in his 50s, was laid off from his 22 year job, just when he was preparing for retirement. He's been out of work for over a year. He's looked for jobs high and low and has come up with nothing. He works a couple of hours at Lowes and Home Depot, when they call him.

My neighbor began standing at corners with illegal Mexicans, waiting for construction bosses to come around for the roundup pick of the day. He was picked for a couple of jobs a week. His CASH pay was only $3.00 a hour. He's braking his back and has no chance of getting health insurance. Construction bosses don't want him because he can ask for more money and knows the laws. Three dollas an hour for illegals, it's a lot of money. The law doesn't require bosses to pay illegals the regular mandatory pay. White workers are in a big crunch.

Moves like this expose Republicans for what they are: cheap labor advocates. A labor-centered platform would bring over alot more voters than the standard wedge issues ever would. And it'd be more honest, too.

There goes any hope for a living wage. Now that * is going to let all the illegals to stay, and keep their jobs, legally, I don't see how this will help the plight of the lower income American worker.

This, along with the denial of extended unemployment benefits to the longer-term out of work, amounts to nothing less than the declaration of class war against America's poor. By allowing these "guest workers" to take lower paying jobs, and accepting lower pay, there will be little impetus to pay a higher wage to anybody. Companies like Wal-Mart are thanking their lucky stars that they finally have workers who will accept their pittance without compliant.

Some pundits who like this plan say that this plan is a direct result of the fact that there are some jobs that American's won't do. Right now Glenn Beck is bitching about the people who claim that they are "too good" to do jobs to pick lettuce. I'm sorry Mr. Beck, its not that were too good to pick lettuce, its just that picking lettuce doesn't allow me to clothe my kids, pay my rent and keep food on my table. In this era, where two career households are commonplace and where single parents are holding two jobs, minimum wage jobs just don't cut it anymore. How many jobs do you have Mr. Beck?

The problem the government seen to ignore or deny is that we live in a society where the top 4% of the population holds over 90% of the wealth. Some even deny the existence of an American poor. A report published recently (and documented here at DU, sorry I couldn't find the link) shows that America has one of the worst social mobility scenarios in the developed world. This stinks of a feudalism, by keeping lower income workers in the disenfranchising position of scrambling to earn a daily wage, the top wage earners maintain control of the ability to become more wealthy.

By comparing the working conditions here to those in other countries, conservative pundits point and say: "See! Look how much worse it could be! How lucky you are to live here." These same folks cite the fact that America's downtrodden are just "lazy." Should we not all reap the benefits of the bounty of America? Cant we then pass on that goodness to the less fortunate of the world without invalidating the reality of a living wage?