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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:21 AM
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Poll question: Are you a vegetarian?
Are you a vegetarian? If you are why?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:24 AM
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1. No, but I've been considering giving up most meat.
Except for seafood. I gotta have my shrimp and crablegs once in a while. Mudbugs, too.

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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:29 AM
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2. LOL!
My son tells everyone he's a "begetarian". He says he only eats meat "sometimes"! He cracks me up.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:29 AM
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3. Yes, for over ten yrs
My reasons are animal cruelty, environmental and anti-corporate government profiteering within the meat industry.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:33 AM
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5. Do you try to convert people or...
do you just kinda keep it to yourself?
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:42 AM
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8. nope
i don't try and convert people. i won't mention my vegetarianism unless it is necessary. if someone asks why i am a vegetarian i'll tell them, but not in a condescending or superior manner. anything i might say most people know already anyway so, what would be the point?

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:48 AM
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9. My reasons, too. I tell people it's for health, and I am healthier,
But that's not really the reason, it's just easier to explain in Texas.
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:32 AM
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4. I am a humanitarian.
:evilgrin:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:36 AM
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7. yummy
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bloodyjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:35 AM
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6. I don't eat anything that has a nervous system
in other words, I don't eat meat because we as human beings have a duty as stewards towards those who are mute and defenseless

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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:49 PM
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30. or anything that has a face
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bloodyjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:23 PM
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48. eh, if it's pretty enough
:*
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:50 AM
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10. But, don't you eat fish? Shrimp? Chicken? Lamb?
Sorry, love those questions.

The one I did a doubletake on, though, was oysters. What the heck are oysters? No face. Do they have a nervous system? Do they have mothers? I don't eat them, but I don't know how much of an animal they are!
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:59 AM
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13. my favorite is,
you eat fruit & vegetables don't you? it has been studied that they 'feel' too.

*giggle* from me.


their attractiveness color, shape etc leads to them being eaten, and in turn propagation thru distribution of seeds.

of course, with the introduction of proper sanitation the distribution is nilch. but the argument still holds;
fruits and veggies aren't just for people.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:08 PM
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14. Yeah, that one gets me, too. Ever notice how defensive carnivores
get? I tell people I'm an atheist and they shrug a little, but I tell them I'm a vegetarian, and they fly off the handle. They ask how I get protein, they tell me that plants have feelings, too, they tell me I'm crazy, or a wimp, or to grow up. Then, when all their arguments fail to convert me, they say "All you vegetarians go around trying to convert everyone!"

Sigh.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:19 PM
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37. Really?
I myself am an omnivore. I only eat cage-free chickens, and free-range beef, blah blah blah...but I know that isn't going to assuage the animal cruelty argument, and it shouldn't.

I have a couple of strict vegetarian friends (one is even a Jain!), though, and they haven't related to me any stories of militant carnivores. Could it be how you are relaying the info that you are vegetarian (maybe they are seeing it as condescending) or could it just be that you live in a different area or deal with different sorts of people? Please understand I'm not attacking you...I'm just surprised.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:55 AM
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11. I am an omnivore that hunts and gathers my own subsistence.
I hunt all forms of big, small, and fowl game. I fish. Plus, I garden and grow my own veggies and herbs.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:09 PM
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15. Perhaps if you stopped eating meat
You would gain sustenance, rather than subsistence, eh? :-)

Just teasing you. Like I've never mispelled a word!
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:22 PM
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18. The dangers of having English as a second language...
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:51 PM
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21. LOL! In that case, I retract my smart-ass comment! nt.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:54 PM
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22. Kein Problem!
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 11:56 AM
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12. When I drive by a cattle farm I think... "hmmm, Steak!"
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:11 PM
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17. I usually think "Pew! Stank!" But that's just me! nt.
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Ricdude Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:10 PM
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16. conservation of resources
I'm not a vegan, but:

1) I do not eat any beef nor pork, and
2) I am reducing my chicken and turkey intake

It's more efficient to just eat the fruits, veges, and grains instead of waiting for them to be processed by feed animals. In my long-term goal of living more lightly on the land, this is an important issue.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:40 PM
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20. no pork for me...
But that is just for religious reasons.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 12:23 PM
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19. I don't eat anything with hair, fur or feathers
But I do eat seafood and have been trying to wean myself off that.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 01:11 PM
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23. I quit eating vegetarians years ago
Too stringy, all bones, and the meat is too lean. Not good eatin'!
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orecal Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:20 PM
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24. Love my veggies!!
I was a meat-eater for 40 years but I haven't eaten meat or fowl for the past 15. In the beginning it was because of a low fat diet. My health improved dramatically when my diet changed. While I don't begrudge carnivores their meat, I have no desire to kill another creature for food.
I've learned to love foods I never dreamed I'd eat-Brussels sprouts,
tofu, sea weed, the list goes on...
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:22 PM
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25. I'd rather have a Big Mac or a Jumbo Jack
Than all the bean sprouts in Japan.

(thanks, Al)
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:45 PM
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28. Who eats bean sprouts?
I'm a vegetarian and I certainly don't. I think a lot of people shy away from being a vegetarian because they don't realize all of the delicious things we DO eat.

I still include dairy and eggs a couple of times a week in my diet so it does open up a lot more possibilities.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:53 PM
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33. Me! I actually love bean sprouts
but I'm a weirdo! :silly:

But you are correct: the vegetarian diet is probably even more varied that the average omnivore diet. We sometimes have to get creative, can't just go pick up a hamburger at the drive through.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:21 PM
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38. Are we talking mung bean sprouts?
I'm an omnivore, but bean sprouts? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Lotsa vitamins too.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:02 PM
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44. Same here...
you don't have to eat bean or alfalfa sprouts just because you are a vegetarian!
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:24 PM
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26. I would be for environmental/land use reasons...
but I like meat a lot.
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 02:29 PM
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27. stopped eating meat simply because I didn't want to be eating fast food
burgers and all the shit that goes along with it, fries, etc. because I was buying burgers and eating them while driving and I had to put a stop somewhere or I'd be a fat, unhealthy motherfucker...so I stopped eating red meat, it wasn't very hard (I try a burger about once a year, I don't miss it). And I'm able to easily keep weight off...as long as I don't snack on chips, ice cream or other garbage foods after dinner.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:47 PM
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29. For health reasons, animal cruelty reasons, and environmental reasons
Veggie and proud!
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:50 PM
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31. Many veggies I know do it for religious reasons
I have a couple of Jain friends :-)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 04:52 PM
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32. No but I am right now
I am having a salad. I should be one because I eat shit, a lot of meat, pork and chicken but I do have a lot of fruits and vegetables as well. Right now I weigh only 130 lbs. and last time I checked my cholesterol was only 170 so that's not too bad.
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cedahlia Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:05 PM
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34. I have been for about 8 years now
So is mr. cedahlia, which makes it very easy...don't know just how I'd manage if I was married to someone who wasn't veg. He actually was the person who convinced me to give up meat. I've always been an animal lover, and when I really thought deeply about what I was doing by eating meat, I had to stop. After going veg for the animal rights reason, I later found out how bad the meat industry is for the environment, so the global environemental benefit is also an incentive. I don't miss meat at all, although I have considered eating fish again for the health benefits. That's probably not gonna happen though because I'd still feel guilty.

Interestingly, back in the day when I went veg, lots of my friends did the same. Since then, mr. cedahlia and I are the only true veggies left in our group of friends...everyone else has fallen off the veggie wagon. :shrug:

For what it's worth, I don't actively try to convert people, but will educate them if they are interested in vegetarianism and want information. I will get defensive if someone gives me a hard time about being veg, but I understand that not everyone shares my ideals and that it still is a meat-eater's world. I just deal with that and continue to live my life the way I feel is right.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:09 PM
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35. I wish my partner was veggie
it makes things rather difficult. I refuse to cook the stuff (it would turn out poorly anyway, I don't know how to cook meat) and I won't buy it. We end up eating out a fair amount so he can eat what he wants and I can eat what I want. But most of the time he's pretty happy with whatever I've cooked :-)
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cedahlia Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:37 PM
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40. Yeah that would be tough
I feel for ya! :)

The only meat I've cooked in the last 8 years was some sausage patties this past Christmas because my Grandma is getting too old to handle doing our big family breakfast by herself.

Does your partner like any of the yummy meat alternatives out there? I've fixed stuff for my meat-eating family and friends using "fake meat" (Morningstar Farms, etc.) and they really liked what I made...nobody has converted to veg becaue of my cooking, but they are more open-minded and some actually buy veggie burgers at the store rather than hamburgers now.

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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:24 PM
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49. How the Bunch does it...
Here's how we do it in our household, which consists of three carnivores and me. Note that one of the carnivores is an on-again-off-again Atkins-dieter with food allergies, another once said his idea of veggie cooking is "tell the cooks what you want and they go make it," and the third is watching her fat intake.

We have become good at combinaton meals where there is a main course to which meat can be added after cooking. For instance, there will be a stir fry or a noodle dish that is itself vegan, and then one of the carnivores will cook the meat in a separate pan and they'll mix it on their plate. Or sometimes we will have a meal where there's a meat thing and a synth-meat substitute--hamburgers and Boca burgers, for instance. We use soy milk and soy cheese in place of the dairy versions and egg replacer instead of eggs.

Frequently this means two or more people are cooking at the same time, but that's become a fun activity in itself. :-)

Tucker
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:09 PM
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36. I eat fish, otherwise vegetarian...
it's pretty easy in my town, fish about once a month, and I'll only eat wild salmon, not farmed...
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DietVanillaCoke Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:22 PM
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39. I don't eat red meat and poultry
It grosses me out and I enjoy seafood as it is generally more healthy and enjoyable to me.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:45 PM
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41. I am now - for health, animal welfare issues, for a more sustainable
planet......and also for my peace of mind and spirit,

although I do eat some fish and animal products like dairy and eggs.

I have been wanting to stop eating meats for years, but my family was not interested in going veggie and I did not have the creativity and will to prepare both kinds of meals each mealtime.

But now that the kids are moving out and more on their own, it is easy for me to cook vegetarian, and my husband has absolutely no complaints.

So I have been animal flesh free for 6 weeks now! :kick:

It is not difficult at all to make satisfying, delicious and healthy meals without meat, and even my meat-loving 20 year old son is surprised at how much he can enjoy my vegetarian meals lately.

DemEx

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Count Dracula Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:48 PM
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42. I hate vegetables.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-04 05:49 PM by Count Dracula
I prefer a big plate of beef with a side of pork. MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Humans were not meant to eat only vegetables. If you were to look at our jaw structure and the shape of our teeth, then you can see that we're supposed to eat both meat and vegetables.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:14 PM
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46. That's just the kind of militant-carnivore thing we encounter...
Someone asks a simple question about vegetarians, and people have to come out with cockeyed theories about what people are "meant" to eat. In truth, humans have evolved to be able to eat both animals and plants; but have also evolved to be able to choose to be vegetarians.

I have been vegetarian for thirteen years, and don't care what you choose to eat.

Tucker
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Count Dracula Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 07:13 PM
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53. "Cockeyed theories?"
It's scientific proof. I don't know where you went to school, but from where I was taught, I learned that humans are evolved to eat meats and vegetables, not only one thing or the other. If you don't like it, that's fine, but there's nothing you can do about it.

And I really don't care what you eat either. I was just making a scientific fact.
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 08:14 PM
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55. actually
there are studies that show otherwise. We don't have teeth to tear through flesh, we have teeth to bite through tough skins on vegetables.

When was the last time you ate cow before it went through the meat packing process?
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 05:58 PM
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43. Yes for about 40 years
I became a vegetarian when I was a little girl because I loved animals so much. I remain a vegetarian for the same reason but also since learning more since then for environmental and health reasons along with loving animals. :-)
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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:12 PM
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45. go figure
this post would elicit the "animals taste so great" replies. sigh.

it's a real eye opener though when i get off the vegetarian internet groups and go out into the real world and realize 99% of people (it might be 98% according to some surveys) are not like me at all.

i never mention my vegetarian lifestyle to anyone. the only resposes i get are people trying to "catch me" eating something i shouldn't, or people giving me beef and dairy propaganda about why i should be downing three pus filled glasses of milk a day; people questioning my researched and well thought out decisions when i would NEVER think of questioning them about their meat eating habits.

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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:19 PM
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47. Yep, for 6 years so far..
since I was 12 years old...there wasn't one reason that I became vegetarian..it was a combination of thinking that it would be good for my health, partly animal cruelty reasons, and partly just wondering if I could pull it off.

There was no one reason I became or stay a vegetarian but I appreciate all the benefits that come along with it. :)

It works for me, I don't crave meat or anything, and I get plenty of protein w/ the foods that I eat.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:44 PM
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50. I am.
But I eat fish or wild game occasionally.

For health reasons, animal cruelty reasons, and for environmental reasons.
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:47 PM
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51. Yes - other.
I quit eating meat almost ten years ago because my cousin was a vegetarian, and she bet me that I couldn't go without meat for one month. I did it, and after that I just lost a taste for it.

I don't claim to do it for animal cruelty reasons, because I've since added seafood back into my diet. And I don't claim to do it for health reasons, because I just gave up smoking cigarettes, which I started before I stopped eating meat.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 06:48 PM
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52. nope
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-04 07:36 PM
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54. Sort of - no red meat in nearly 20 years
I quit eating beef and pork because I don't approve of how it's raised (the environmental impact of free-range cattle or large-scale pig farms is horrendous) and I believe in putting my money where my mouth is...so I won't contribute to sales of either. It evolved into not eating any mammals, because I really don't digest red meat all that well, anyway. I eat some poultry, but am trying to cut down on it. I eat a lot of seafood, though. See, I don't cook, so going strictly vegetarian is difficult; I've done it a few times and you either have to cook or your diet becomes very limited.

My husband eats some red meat, but does me the courtesy to cook it outside on the barbecue grill, as I can't abide the smell, and won't wash dishes used to prepare it. I also won't pay for it in the grocery store, although I've been known to buy him a steak at a restaurant for a special occasion.

What I don't get is people on either side of the issue trying to convert others. State your own preferences, but don't attack theirs. Food doesn't carry moral imperatives. It's sustenance. Don't judge people based on what they do or don't eat. I see this just as much from carnivores as I do from hardcore vegans.
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