I hate advertising that uses rap music in it..

I can't stand rap "music", and when i hear an ad with it, i turn it off, period. it's so much more intrusive and annoying than any other form of music i just can't stand it.

Because they don't know how to appreciate music.

Well, I hate people who hate people who hate people who hate people who listen to rap music....But, I like people who hate people who hate people who listen to rap so I guess I still like you. :)

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Can't spell 'crap' without 'rap,' of course...

I don't think it's really music. I don't judge people by their musical taste anyway, so I won't be hating you while you hate me.

It's about ignorance, arrogance, and since I'm tactful I won't point out the 800lb gorilla in the middle of the room.

without necessarily hating the lyrics, you're arrogant and ignorant? You're required to like it all to be enlightened? And I'm the one being arrogant?

and saying it does not qualify as "music" because it's so far beneath your high and mighty standards. That's arrogance. The ignorance comes from thinking the rap you hear on your local Clear Channel station is representative of the genre.

I've heard the word "music" defined as "a combination of sounds pleasing to the ear." Rap doesn't make the cut in my case. To you it is apparently music. To me, it isn't. The lyrics are clever in many cases, but I'm far more inclined to listen if they're surrounded by hard rock (which may not be music to you).

Country and techno aren't music to me, either. What you like I may hate and otherwise.

Oh, and I don't listen to Clear Channel.

Though you're about arrogance, as you've handily proven.

It is not music. It is crap.

Have you listened to every single rap song ? If you have listened to every rap song then your point is well taken . If not then basing that opinion on just the ones you have listened to is baseless.

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You don't like it? Okay. But it is a form of music. A very popular one with roots going back hundreds of years.

:eyes: How often have I heard this before? Rock is Crock, Jazz is Smazz, Country is Funtry(?). :P

How about the sickening Toyota "Get the Feeling" crap at the end of every one of their ads. Or, the amazed woman who thanks Honda for making a car that stops when she puts on the brake and the wipers go on when she turns them on. What crap!!!!!

Or if the rap is merely a bridge between choruses, or is an "interlude" in a song with a melody.

I'm afraid I'll have to chime in with the "hated-it" vote when it comes to the vocal-only, angry, obscene, violent, no-discernable-melody, rhythm-only style of rap.

-- Allen

The rap portions of "I Feel For You" and "Alright" come to mind as examples of things I like.

Fucking Cadillac.

when talking about rap.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not music.

Maybe I should use "music" when I talk about Pink Floyd. Now THAT is more intrusive and annoying than any other form of music.

I won't have any blasphemin' in this house!


BTW You can't say 'crap' without saying 'rap'

makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about their mediocre contribution to music. :puke:

O.K. I'm convinced. Pink Floyd sucks compared to 50 cent.
Yes pales against the genius of Nelly.
P-Diddy Rules... </sarcasm>

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But this blanket use of "crap" to describe a form of music that has developed over hundreds of years just shows the ignorance of the average white american.

Rap has its history in Jamaica and actually is a spawn of the electric music phase in Kingston which also spawned Reggae and Ska. Some of the first MCs were in Kingston in the 40s. And the electronic type music from that period has its roots in the quadrille, a song/dance music popular with the slaves in the Carribean.

And more than music, Rap is and has always been a vehicle for social commentary. (As has the two other famous forms spawned from that era, Reggae and Ska). To say it's "crap" is insulting.

Let me throw props to the lineage of rap, giving due respect to its siblings: reggae and ska.

Rap, as it stands today, is culturally bankrupt and musically atrocious. The purveyors of modern rap are, for the most part, the most sold-out, money focused segment of the curent musical scene.

sorry... but a long and noble history only serves to make the current state of affairs all the more repellent!

reaction to rock, and blues when it first hit the scene.

My read is that pop music is the language of youth. Rap happens to be the clearest voice of what is the urban culture. Ignoring it is foolish. Hating it is fine as long as you don't discount its importance. Heck, I HATE country music, but it reflects the thoughts of its audience.

Personally, I love most rap. But then I love black culture immensely. For those of you who are ready to fire back "oh so you love misoginy, and drive-by shootings, and drug dealing" I would say NO I don't love or admire those elements, but it is the reality in which many black folk have to live. So they sing about it.

To my ears, at least, and they're also originated as the voice of marginalized people (yes, rock's white heritage components included).

precisely....as is rap. Don't be misled by the "bling".

I just don't like the resultant sound (let me modify that to say 'most of it, anyway').

Pink Floyd does suck. So does Bob Dylan. :puke:

I don't like Dylan either!

you pick that?

Rap/Hiphop has none of that. Just a staccato, flat, monotonic drone.
Also, it has no cultural integrity. It's used as often to sell consumer products as it is to express the feelings of the artist.
I know, I know, every kind of music is used for commercial purposes but rap is so "expressionless", that the commercial stuff is indistinguishable from the real stuff.
I suppose the only saving grace is what they actually say, so in that way it's like performance art poetry.
But music? Nope.

At least we agree on this!!!

I thought I was a full-blown, absolute nemesis!
:D

Nah... we've grated against each other a couple of times since you showed up here, but you seem like a good guy all the same.

Besides, I have always been a bit of a Canada-phile.

It's far from "expressionless"

And no cultural integrity?

The history of rap has deep roots (see my post above for a very, very abbreviated version).

I'm sure that Japanese Gagaku Imperial Court music has very ancient roots as well.
It's just that I can't stand listening to it every day.

i like that.



glad to see i've stirred up some more shit here.. after my religion thread i think i may be on a roll!!
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We need men of your calibre here. Have lunch with us at the club sometime.

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but to flatly call rap "crap" is doing the genre an injustice. I think its kinda stupid to lump all rap into one category. Thats tantamount to putting Andy Williams in with Thin Lizzy as they were both considered "pop" music and got radio play.

I really hated rap back in the 80's, when it first got alot of radio play in the hinterlands. Fortunately, I laid my hands upon "Paul's Boutique" by the Beastie Boys and I discovered what I was missing. Please don't be so quick to judge. Expand your horizons, dabble a bit. Try something like Spearhead, they're pretty good.

i've heard so many different forms of music, using so many instruments, that i feel confident when i say i hate rap and i think it sucks monstrous monkey nuts.

and I discover new and cool music all the time.

But hey, to each their own. :shrug:

i'm not sure what that has to do with not liking rap music though..

i've discovered many bands through my teaching that i would never have gave a listen to.

geared at getting younger voters to the polls. It is so hilarious to see this old man rapping during the whole thing. I think it's great.

but then I realized I feel the same way about country and punk, and there's not a damn thing anyone could do to make me think twice about it.

In fact, if I owned a record store, I would put country and punk music in a section labeled "shit." It would probably be in the dumpster out back.

"In fact, if I owned a record store, I would put country and punk music in a section labeled "shit." It would probably be in the dumpster out back."

I can appreciate it as music. The rhythm and flow definitely constitute a work of art. As far as the chanting goes, we've had that in music from way back. Should Gregorian chants not be music?

is spoken word with musical attributes..

If you see this definition from Webster's:

the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity

hehe

I can truthfully say that Rap is the most Beautiful, Complex, Intelligent, Lyrical, Deep, Insightful form of Musical Expression that has Ever been my pleasure to hear.

Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate the way these Mad Ave suits come up with these stupid ad campaigns...

"I'm tellin' ya, JB, get some fast jump-cut action, hit some heavy rhymes with a hard-assed rap line and the kids will elbow each other to get in the stores..."

Thus we have "I'm Luvin' IT" selling us cholesterol burgers....
in fact, I'm surprised nobody's accused the rap-haters of being old "fossils"....

Do kids still call Olde Pharts "fossils"?

I don't care for rap, but it seems a lot of people do, since it sells so good

this is one of my very favorite bands, the Marginal Prophets.

http://www.marginalprophets.com/

An amazing band, great live. I saw them at the Folsom street fair in San Francisco.

I'm no fan of gansta rap, but when rap is done intelligently and with a sense of humor I love it.