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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:03 PM
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Anybody ever read Harry Turtledove?
He is an author who writes alternate history stories. He has been writing this long saga of books based in a timeline where the south won the civil war in 1862 and animosity built up ever since. He has put out a book of that saga every year since 1997. He is even coming out with one this year. I actually started reading the series last summer/fall and started with another book recently after having not been reading them for 4 months. So anybody know who he is?
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:03 PM
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1. I have a few books but have not started any.
I like the idea of alternative history...a kind of what if?

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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:06 PM
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2. I read The Ugly Chickens
Isn't that him? The Ugly Chickens? Great story.

I don't do series, when I saw that he was doing one, I'm afraid I just assumed he needed cash, and that's fine, we all get older, but I'm somewhat a follower of the school of, "If it can't be said in 300 pages, it isn't worth saying."
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:09 PM
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4. Yeah.
But when you are covering an alternative history, you could do a lot with it. He actually does quite a bit. Each book is close to 600 pages.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:06 PM
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3. I havea book of short stories that I really love
I know he's hugely popular, though that short story book is the only one I have read so far, and that was a few years ago. Great writer, it's just that alternative history isn't quite my bag, butI mean him no disparagement at all.

I'd love to read more just because I think he is a great writer, except that he works in, as I pointed out, a genre is that isn't my bag. baby.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:10 PM
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5. Yes - Have Read His WWII Series
Very Good!
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:11 PM
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6. I've read the entire World War series...
...but if you want your alt-history in one volume, I'd reccommend "Guns of the South" or "The Two Georges" (written with Richard Dreyfuss.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:15 PM
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7. The two georges?
What is it about? Was it written by the same Richard Dreyfuss who is an actor?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:10 PM
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9. Yes the same actor....
It's about a painting that was stolen, in the 1990's. The painting in question was of George Washington, kneeling in fealty to King George the Third of Great Britian. See, the American Revolution did not take place, and the North American Union took the United States and Canada's place in history, so to speak. Other Changes too, but I won't spoil it too much for you.
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:46 PM
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11. I've only read Guns of the South (mild spoiler)
Ripping yarn. It was clever of him to write from the viewpoint of someone living in the 1860's, eg. their bewilderment at the computers.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:33 PM
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8. Check out Bring the Jubilee
I think the definitive classic Southern Civil War victory alternative-history is Ward Moore's Bring the Jubilee, but Harry Turtledove is a hell of a writer too.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:44 PM
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10. I started the WWII/Alien Invaders series
and could barely finish the first volume. Harry has some great ideas, but as a writer, IMO, he is less than great. I've been meaning to give the Civil War series a try, because alternate history is my favorite genre of SF. I have, however, read some very good alt-hist short stories by him.

I echo the call to read Ward Moore's "Bring the Jubilee," it's a classic. As is "The Man in the High Castle, " a tale set in 1960's San Francisco occupied by the conquering Japanese.

The best alternate history novel I've read recently was Kim Stanley Robinson's "The Years of Rice and Salt," which posits the demise of the West in the 13th century because of the black plague, leaving the world primarily to the Chinese and Islamic powers to settle, and who eventually fight a protracted 20th century war with each other. It's a fantastic novel, very thoughtful.

There's a lot of great alternate history out there, much of it better than Harry Turtledove. Try googling "alternate history," you'll find lots of good resources on-line.

Dirk
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:56 PM
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12. Another Suggestion...
Eric Flint, I would call his books more sci-fiction/alt-history at the same time.

I would suggest "1632": basic premise is a West Virginia Mining Town from the year 2000 is transported back to the year 1632, Germany (Thuringia province) in the middle of one of the worse wars in history. Very good and the beginning of a series: 1633, and 1634:The Galileo Affair are both out in print now. Love that series, and I agree with Robinson's book too, very good, you read the Mars Trilogy too?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:45 AM
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16. I have seen those, yes
and they look very interesting. I don't know Flint as an author, but I hope to get to "1632" one of these days. And no, I have not read Robinson's Mars series--that's another one I've been meaning to read for a long time (too many books and not enough time!).

Another excellent alt-hist series is "The Age of Unreason" by J. Gregory Keyes--I highly recommend this. "Newton's Cannon" is the first in the series, and I think it's up to four novels by now, each of which stands alone quite well. The twist here is that Isaac Newton managed to discover actual principles of alchemy, which lead to a whole set of practical applications involving what amounts to magic, but is really more akin to a sort of demonology. The 'technology' involved causes other-dimensional beings to come into frequent contact with our material world. This becomes commonplace in 18th century Europe and America, leading to disastrous results that radically transform the political landscape. Excellent series, and very well-written; carefully researched.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:01 PM
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13. I'm close to the end of "The Center Cannot Hold"
Excellent series! for some of his straight science fisction try "A World of Difference".
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:10 PM
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14. Good book, you should get the sequel...
"The Victorious Opposition"
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:38 PM
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15. I am reading "Blood and Iron" now.
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