What, if anything, do you say to people who are wingnut shrub lovers, but

are into "cool" popular culture? 99% of which is produced by people who are COMPLETELY against shrubco?

For instance, I used to get into political arguments on a hobby site that I rarely visit anymore. One of the proud war loving wingnuts, a Texan, was into cool house and rap music. I think he even used to deejay. I remember a nonpolitical thread I started about what we were listening to in our car CD players, and one of his favorite albums was Public Enemy's "It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back". I mean, this is a guy who has expressed some latent and not so latent hostility against black people in general. And he also admitted to being a big Howard Stern fan, and I pointed out how Stern was getting crucified by Clear Channel and the FCC for taking up his mike against shrubco, and he was saying things like "well everyone was hysterical after the Janet Jackson thing" (not like this guy would take offense or make a big deal about something like that.)

Hello! This is YOUR government, that YOU voted for! THEY are running the witchhunt! THEY want to eliminate speech that YOU like! YOU have the power to VOTE THEM OUT!

These kind of guys have drunk the KoolAid so I don't expect to get their vote. But if anyone can show me how to twist their wires to get the cognitive dissonance resonance frequency going to make their head explode, I'd appreciate it.

That is what I do during debates. My last debate was about the Abu Gulag torture scandal. The freeper-guy spilled all the Rush talking points about the tortures being just a frat prank. I proceeded to ask him how he would feel if Clinton were president when it happened. I also asked him what he would think if the Iraqis did the exact same thing to our POWs. He was backed into a corner.

If you just say something that is not a question it just becomes a shouting match. At least questions make them think.

at the college i went to were into this kind of music. They would crank the hip-hop in their BMWs as they hauled ass by. Rap and House doesn't typically instruct politically (a few exceptions aside), it doesn't take that kind of platform. Most people like that kind of music for the "beats" anyway, god forbid they take something socially redeeming from it. I know a lot of republicans that love Ice-Cube and NWA, i mean wtf - are they not listening?

"Michael Bolton" is stuck in rush hour traffic listening to his gansta rap jams, then turns down his radio all embarrassed when an actual black person is stuck next to his car.

that scene embodied it perfectly. And it was the most hilarious scene because we all know that its the truth.

one wingnut post into each thread (did a search on you). I hope you enjoy your stay!



AJ sample from a Brown v Board of education thread:

Big_AJ (45 posts) Sun May-09-04 11:16 PM
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2. Consider this:



There are a 'lot' of bad schools -- true. Some of them are
'de facto segregated'. Some of those are 'bad'. So, what
can be done about it? How much better have the schools
gotten since Brown v. Board of Ed?

How much blame can be laid at the feet of the people in the
classrooms? Kids, uninterested and disruptive. Teachers,
frustrated and unmotivated -- even scared. Parents, uncaring
or absent. Culture, hostile.

For the last 40 years all levels of government has thrown
money at the public schools. Teacher's salaries and unions
have prospered. We pay more for less product.

What can we do? Get the feds out of local education, let the
schools fail and reconstitute them without the disruptive
pupils, without the unmotivated teachers, without careerist
administrators.

maybe not all people with conservative views are wingnuts, but AJ is definitely a conservative who is a wingnut.

On edit: maybe you should ask AJ, as he's been so kind to provide the wingnut opinion in your thread.

You respect in other ways.

For example, I work with a guy who is just a decent guy, raises his kids to be very open minded. He's very intelligent and has excellent taste in music, but he's a people who are wingnut shrub lover.

We've discussed politics before (and we actually did discuss it - he wasn't the kind of wingnut to shout and press the mute button) and he gives the typical Buckleyish argument of less government, less taxes make the world go 'round.

But in other ways he's very deserving of respect.

attitude towards this type of person, is that, they are willing to take the best of popular culture, even some that is somewhat political in nature (like Public Enemy), just for the "music" but don't examine in any way what that material is saying, which I find maddening. Happy to be a "fan" of Howard Stern, but if his show was run off the air in an act of essentially political censorship, I wonder if he'd even be sorry or not care or blame shrubco. Not a particularly thoughtful guy.

Not really analagous but makes me think of the Randy Shilts book "And the Band Played On". There was a prominent Repub activist who was gay. Here was this guy supporting the Reagan administration with an agenda downright hostile to gay people. He was spotted at some gay social function, and one of the guests called him out, accusing him of taking the best aspects of gay life and supporting people who were harmful to gay society the rest of the time.

I do have friends who I disagree with, who are Repubs etc. A VERY few of these I can actually have civil discussion on political topics without a lot of hostility and unpleasantness. So it's not that I'm not capable of "compartmentalizing" liking and respecting different parts of people's intellect and personality from their politics. I have to do that every day living here in TX.

When they aren't getting shit from the Repuke population at home theyre getting it by fellow liberals who seem all to quick to chalk all Southerners up as rednecks...

Ive noticed Texas Dems and athiests end up having a passion that's often absent out here in bluestateland...