Help debunking horrible anti-Muslim quote at you-know-where

"The slaughter of infidel children is a righteous act in the Koran because the age of the unbelievers is irrelevant."

I'm willing to bet there is something in the Koran that directly contradicts this drivel. That's like saying Jesus endorsed the Inquisition.

I want links, and I want to rub them on that psycho's nose.

Are you pro-Islam? If so, that's as bad as being pro-Christianity, pro-Scientology, or pro-flat earth society. Why defend the indefensible?

But if you feel you must respond, ask him why Bush keeps saying Islam is a religion of peace.

I'm not gay, and I believe Alan Keyes should be put into a straightjacket and thrown into a padded room with Fred Phelps.

I'm an atheist, and yet I do triple backward somersaults when an evangelical loonie starts spouting that "Catholics are not Christians".

I'm very well aware of the evil of Muslim fanatics. That quote, on the other hand, looks too much like a propagandistic lie. I'm asking for help to investigative that suspicion.

"I believe Alan Keyes should be put into a straightjacket and thrown into a padded room with Fred Phelps"

I live in Illinois and not only do we have to deal with Keyes, Phelp's "church" came and protested in our city recently.

I do know he's not racist. :evilgrin:

but I know the Bible endorses the killing of children...

2 Kings 2:23-24

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them"

Joshua 6:20-21

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything.

Hosea 13:16

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such cases, the father and mother must take the son before the leaders of the town. They must declare: 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard.' Then all the men of the town must stone him to death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid."

Psalms 137:9

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock."

<17:33> You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped.

<4:2> You shall hand over to the orphans their rightful properties. Do not substitute the bad for the good, and do not consume their properties by combining them with yours. This would be a gross injustice.

<2:256> There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

<107:1-7> Do you know who really rejects the faith? That is the one who mistreats the orphans. And does not advocate the feeding of the poor. And woe to those who observe the contact prayers (Salat) - who are totally heedless of their prayers. They only show off. And they forbid charity.

<2:215> They ask you about giving: say, "The charity you give shall go to the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien." Any good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof.

http://www.submission.org/unhmnrights.html

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Believers, Jews, Sabaeans and Christians--whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right--shall have nothing to fear or to regret. (5.69)

For every one of you We have ordained a law and a way. Had God pleased, He could have made you one community: but it is His wish to prove you by that which He has bestowed upon you. Vie (as in a race) with one another in good works, for to God you shall all return and He will explain for you your differences. (5.48)

Among His other wonders are the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors. (30.21)

using the phrase "infidel children" and got zero results, I'd say what they're posting is a plain lie.

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/index.html

First thing would be to ask for a citation for the source of this so-called 'quote'. If it is the Qur'an, I can cite the exact sura and verse, and inevitably it doesn't say anything like what the freepers say. What I did in this case was to look up "unbelievers" in the index of my copy, which is NOT a Wahhabist translation, btw. I found that Sura60: verses 1-9 that you may find interesting.

Anyway, here are the verses:
60:1
O ye who believe!
Take not My enemies
And yours as friends
(Or protectors)--offering them
(Your) love, even though
They have rejected the Truth
That has come to you.
And have (on the contrary)Driven out the Messenger
And yourselves (from your homes),
(Simply) because ye believe
In God your Lord!
If ye have come out
To strive in My Way
And to seek My Good Pleasure
(Take them not as friends),
Holding secret converse
Of love (and friendship)
With them: for I know
Full well all that ye
Conceal and all that ye
Reveal. And any of you
That does this has strayed
From the Straight Path.

60:2
If they were to get
The better of you,
They would behave to you
As enemies, and stretch forth
Their hands and their tongues
Against you for evil:
And they desire that ye
Should reject the Truth.

60:3
Of no profit to you
Will be your relatives
And your children
On the Day of Judgement:
He will judge between you:
For God sees well
All that ye do.

60:4
There is for you
An excellent example (to follow)
In Abraham and those with him,
When they said,
To their people:
"We are clear of you
And of whatever ye worship
Besides God: we have rejected
You, and there has arisen,
Between us and you, enmity
And hatred forever--unless
Ye believe in God
And in Him alone."
But not when ABraham
Said to his father:
"I will pray for forgiveness
For thee, though I have
No power (to get)aught
On thy behalf from God."

(They prayed):" Our Lord!
In Thee do we trust,
And to Thee do we turn
In repentance to Thee
Is (our) final Goal.

60:5
"Our Lord! Make us not
A (test and ) trial
For the Unbelievers,
But forgive us, our Lord!
For Thou are the Exalted
In Might, the Wise."

60:6
There was indeed in them
An excellent example for you]
To follow--for those
Whose hope is in God
And in the Last Day.
But if any turn away,
Truly God is Free of all
Wants, Worthy of all Praise.

60: 7
It may be that God
Will grant love (and friendship)
Between you and those whom
Ye (now) hold as enemies.
For God has power
(Over all things): And God is
OFt-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

60:8
God forbids you not,
With regard to those who
Fight you not for (your) Faith
Not drive you out
Of your homes,
From dealing kindly aand justly
With them: For God loveth
those who are just.

60: 9
God only forbids you
With regard to those who
Fight you for (your) Faith,
And drive you out
Of your homes, and support
(Others) in driving you out,
From tunring to them
(For friendship and protection)
It is such as turn to them
(In these circumstances),
That do wrong.

You might not agree with all that is stated here, but there's nothing about killing unbelievers. Hope this information helps.

Stand away from the keyboard lest your jaw break it on its way down. Ready? Very well then:

http://www.blessedcause.org/complaint/TOC.htm

Is it Late German Fascists? Or is it somewhere else?

But I don't want to blow up my cover just yet. Wait until the inevitable shitstorm (or banning, whichever comes first) finishes. ;)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1208454/posts?page=51#65

Wow, that felt GOOD!

And I earned an unbeliavably loopy display of fundie wackiness as a bonus: http://www.blessedcause.org/complaint/TOC.htm (read it, it's worth it! They REALLY REALLY dislike the COTUSA)

On edit: in case they "zot" me:

Below is a link to direct quotes from the Quran/Koran on this subject. They are taken from an official administrative complaint against the San Luis Coastal Unified School District. Violence advocated against infidels is not related to age but is for the sin of non-belief. http://www.blessedcause.org/complaint/Quran%20Koran%20Quotes.htm

Wow. That's scary. Not as much the Koran quotes (I've seen just as much hostility towards "others" in the Old Testament. Jericho, anyone? Wild bear let loose on 42 children?) but the argument from the complainers that pluralism is evil. They seem to really dislike the Constitution of the United States.

By the way: I found nothing in those quotes that advocate killing infidel children, only general, vague hostility towards "unbelievers". The quotes themselves seem to be accurate, according to this searchable Koran site: http://www.islamicity.com/MOSQUE/ARABICSCRIPT/AYAT/8/8_55.htm

By the way II: unsurprisingly, the Koran seem full of contradictions. Along with all the fury towards "unbelievers", there's this:

17:33 Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
107:1-7 Seest thou one who denies the Judgment (to come)? Then such is the (man) who repulses the orphan (with harshness), And encourages not the feeding of the indigent. So woe to the worshippers Who are neglectful of their prayers, Those who (want but) to be seen (of men), But refuse (to supply) (even) neighbourly needs.
5:69 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

In short, I'll go by the words of President Bush. Islam isn't evil, and the WoT shouldn't be construed as a war on Islam.