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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:27 AM
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Wife Dies During "Alternative" Sex
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A MAN who said he accidentally strangled his wife with a telephone cord during sex has been sentenced to five years' probation in the US.

Joseph Micale, 35, was charged in December with reckless manslaughter in the death of his wife, Maureen, 37, and could have faced 15 years in prison.

But he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide, and prosecutors agreed to recommend no jail time if he surrendered parental rights to his one-year-old son to the boy's maternal aunt.

"My wife and I participated in what we thought was harmless, alternative sex and it went terribly awry," Micale told the judge in Syracuse, New York.

"I lost her, too, as well as my family."

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10831461%255E1702,00.html
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:29 AM
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1. Death---the ultimate orgasm....
Now, if I can just persuade my wife...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:32 AM
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3. well, there goes the key board
oh god that was funny...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:31 AM
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2. So strangling you wife with a telephone cord while getting off is now
called 'alternative sex'? Geez, why wasn't the cord around his neck? And he only got probation? What in the hell is this? The guy's orgasm apparently was more important than her life? What are they telling him, just be a little more careful next time?

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Uroboros Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:49 AM
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5. Sounds like auto-erotic asphyxiation
in which case it WAS about her orgasm not his.

Assuming that he convinced her to try this as opposed to him going nuts and actually choking his wife.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:18 PM
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9. Whatever, no matter who's orgasm it was intended to be, that's sick.
Plus don't tell me he wasn't getting off on chocking her unconscious. That's a pantload.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:21 PM
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11. it's called auto-erotic asphyxiation
lack of oxygen heightens sexual well, feelings

so that meant an enhanced experience and orgasm for her

a lot of people do it, and lot of people have died doing it

i highly doubt it was about him getting off choking her
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:03 PM
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29. not to be pedantic here...
...okay i lied-TO be utterly pedantic, 'autoerotic asphyxiation' is the practice of self-strangulation.
that's what the 'auto' part is all about.
They were messing around with 'erotic asphyxiation,' apparently not a good thing to do unless you have a signal arranged, and a sense of when your partner is on death's door.
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:55 AM
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6. Don't get out much, do you? :-)
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 06:56 AM by RivetJoint
it was about HER orgasm; not his.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:01 AM
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7. some orgasm
I think it was more about her death than her orgasm.
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Night Gal Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:38 AM
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4. a new take on phone sex, eh?
amateurs.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:21 PM
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10. LOL!
BTW, Welcome to DU!
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Night Gal Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:28 AM
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31. thanks for the welcome
I've been here for a while, but hadn't had the initiative to register and post.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:57 PM
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27. Ohhh, that is funny.
I shouldnt be laughing at that but, hell. ROFL!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 08:02 AM
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8. Oh for a minute there I thought Jack Ryan had remarried already
my bad.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:22 PM
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12. What kind of reasoning were the prosecutors using?
No jail time if he surrenders his parental rights? Well, if he's in jail, he can't really exercise those rights much, can he?

I can't believe someone can strangle their spouse and get no jail time.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:23 PM
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13. Maybe because it's not all that uncommon
unfortunately many people have died from this...either alone or with a partner.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:23 PM
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14. doesn't anyone understand this?
yes, there IS sex besides the missionary position.

read a couple of the posts above. it's pretty apparent he wasn't trying to kill his wife
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:31 PM
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17. Yes, I'm quite aware
I'm not some prude. But, his wife died. Yes, you can be charged with a crime even if you did not intend to kill someone.

I did read the posts. I'm not a moron. I never said it should be first degree murder or anything. But, I'm not some kind of frigid wing nut because I happen to think that killing your spouse, even accidental by strangulation should merit more than a slap on the wrist.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:33 PM
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20. Especially when you try to cover up what happened...
see my post below.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:38 PM
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23. I saw
The whole story is sad. I can't believe I was basically accused of prudishness upthread because I think this guy was negligent in his wife's death :crazy:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:41 PM
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25. Don't feel bad...
I got accused of being a prude several times on the various threads about sexism.

Something just smells funny about this situation. The fact that he tried to hide what happened bothers me. I can see why he would if it did happen like he said. It's an embarassing thing to admit. But once he tampered with the body we may never know what really happened.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:27 PM
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15. you really should choose your alternative sex wisely
Does anyone remember that story years ago about a couple having sex on a hotel balconey and she falls and dies? And now a man strangles his wife during sex. My guess is that if you have to do dangerous stuff to get off, then you're not doing it right.
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MadChatter Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:33 PM
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19. I'm suspicious
It also could be a way to commit murder, and get away with it.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:30 PM
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16. The last line of the article makes him look bad.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 06:31 PM by VelmaD
Make sure you read to the bottom past the picture.

"After discovering she was dead, Micale tried to make it look as if she committed suicide by hanging herself from a ceiling beam, they said."
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:32 PM
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18. But, it's alternative sex!!!
Geeze, are you some kind of a prude or something?

</sarcasm>
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:36 PM
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22. Hell, I'm all for alternative sex...
Edited on Tue Sep-21-04 06:38 PM by VelmaD
I could even see myself doing the breath-play thing. But this guy is at least guilty of tampering with evidence and lying to the police. How do we know he's telling the truth at this point if he's already lied about what happened before?
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:40 PM
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24. Me, too.
I agree; I think there is a littlem more to this story than kinky sex.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:44 PM
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26. The way I figure it...
either he was inexperienced and didn't know what he was doing...in which case he's an idiot and shouldn't have been engaging in that particular act because it's dangerous. Or...he was experienced and did know what he was doing and was either negligent or (goddess forbid) he killed her on purpose.

I really hope it was the former. For his sake and the kid's. But it should be a lesson to people...do not engage in dangerous sexual activities if you don't know what you're doing.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 06:34 PM
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21. No "Husband of the Year" award in his future
concealing the true cause of death is pretty damn suspicious.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:03 PM
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28. WHY a phone line?
Was that the only thing handy to strangle someone with?
Personally, I think I would have preffered a thicker line, say perhaps Cat6 Ethernet.

Whoever needs a phone line to get their jollies needs a serious mental examination.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-04 07:52 PM
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30. doesn't pass the smell test maybe
We're somewhat playing that telephone game, since this is an Australian newspaper reporting on a New York state story. Be that as it may, only a minority of folks interested in breath play are women -- it is usually about the man's orgasm -- which may seem a funny post to read from me if you have read my other posts on this topic but...we have too little information. Based on the short article I just read, I would guess the man has just gotten away with murder, as I'm seeing no evidence that this woman was getting off on being strangled with a telephone cord. But this is a short report, and perhaps there is indeed good evidence the man just made a stupid mistake.

As a public service, let me remind everyone that there is no such thing as safe breath play. Unfortunately, the feeling of peace and rightness that comes over a person when indulging in this vice do not allow for safe words. While I'm not confident this man is telling the truth, it is possible -- your partner can slip away and never give you a hint of being in distress. I will not participate in breath play again. It is unfair to ask your partner to risk going to prison for your pleasure.
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Night Gal Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:38 AM
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32. I agree....
The deprivation of oxygen at point of orgasm is a male thing... not a female enhancement. Lots of teens have died trying this crazy practice during masturbation.


Good link - http://www.silentvictims.org/



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