Indiana Jones Fans: A Strange Music Question from "Last Crusade"

SeanOhio

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Thu Sep-23-04 11:20 AM
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Indiana Jones Fans: A Strange Music Question from "Last Crusade"

During the book burning scene/Hitler encounter in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, a band is playing a rather happy song offscreen. I heard it on "The Simpsons" earlier, too. I wish I knew what it was . . . it almost sounds Mexican, but I'm sure it's German in its origin. Any clues?

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tigereye

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Thu Sep-23-04 11:48 AM
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1. we just watched that recently

now you have made me curious... I will have to check.

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Gildor Inglorion

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Thu Sep-23-04 11:50 AM
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2. I don't know the name, but...

You can hear it in the background of the clip "We're pilgrims in a strange land" here:

http://www.theindyexperience.com/tie_lite/lc_sound_clips.shtml

I always figured it was something John Williams had composed especially for the film, but it doesn't appear on any of the soundtrack recordings. It is catchy, isn't it?

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Kellanved

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Thu Sep-23-04 12:41 PM
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6. ah, that's the "K�niggr�tzer Marsch"

Occasionaly played during the "Zapfenstreich" ceremony (Presidents leaving their office etc. ...)

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Gildor Inglorion

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Thu Sep-23-04 01:52 PM
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7. My Lord, it's gratifying to be a DU'er and have access to such...

knowledge and wisdom! (No sarcasm, I MEAN it.)
:yourock:

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BQueen

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Thu Sep-23-04 11:51 AM
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3. made me curious, too

so I looked (a feat since I haven't invested in the DVDs yet)
the song itself sounds like a simple military march, with kettledrum interlude during the Hitler encounter.

Oddly, the music credits at the end include only two songs, no classical or orchestral, etc. Maybe it was an original for the film and the Simpsons sampled it?

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DinahMoeHum

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Thu Sep-23-04 12:17 PM
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5. I believe there were at least two popular songs from the 1930s

listed in the credits.
I think one of them was either a Cole Porter or Jerome Kern song, the other was titled "Just a Gigolo"

As I recall, that music was playing on a Victorola during the scene in the Venice hotel with the Harrison Ford/Alison Doody characters.

:smoke:

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DinahMoeHum

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Thu Sep-23-04 12:08 PM
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4. Methinks it was composer John Williams' original, a march

with German themes, to convey the feeling of a Nazi Party rally.

BTW, the quote from "Indy's dad" (Sean Connery) was:
"Well, my boy, we're pilgrims in an unholy land"

:smoke:

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ThoughtCriminal

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Thu Sep-23-04 09:20 PM
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13. I use that quote

when entering Orange County.

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Aristus

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Thu Sep-23-04 02:12 PM
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8. Something for classical music enthusiasts:

Compare John Williams' "Ark Theme" ( the creepy, mysterious music that accompanies shots or dialogue about the ark itself) with Richard Wagner's "Tarnhelm" motif from "Das Rheingold". Williams freely acknowledges his debt to Wagner, but has never mentioned this inspiration. I'm positive the one was inspired by the other.

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dryan

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Thu Sep-23-04 03:20 PM
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9. I thought it...

sounded something like the Horst Wessel Song.

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Aristus

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Thu Sep-23-04 09:08 PM
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11. Was this a reply to my post or to the subject of the thread?

I admit my observation was just slightly off-topic, but it sounds like your reply actually addressed the "Last Crusade" theme. BTW, no, it wasn't the "Horst Wessel Song". That one is very distinctive, and the song in the movie wasn't it.

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Endangered Specie

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Thu Sep-23-04 09:27 PM
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15. Definetly not Horst Wessel.

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Kellanved

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Thu Sep-23-04 06:40 PM
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10. hi

How are you?

I don't remember the scene in the movie, but I am pretty sure that the music playing in the background of the audio clip posted above is the "K�niggr�tzer Marsch" by Piefke. He became quite famous with the march: "Piefke" is still a slightly slurry word for north-eastern Germans.

http://perso.club-internet.fr/gustave/Musiques/prusse/koniggratzer_marsch.mp3

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Aristus

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Thu Sep-23-04 09:13 PM
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12. Hi there, Kel, mein Freund. I am well, thank you, and you?

Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 09:14 PM by Aristus

I'm afraid I got a little off-topic by mentioning the "Ark" theme and its resemblance to Wagner's Tarnhelm theme. Now everyone thinks I misidentified the march in "IJATLC". :-) I know the march in "Crusade" was not Wagner, but I admit I didn't know exactly which German military march it was. I imagine there are enough of them that if you were making a movie set in Nazi Germany, you could pick a march at random to underscore a scene about the Wehrmacht, and it would serve well.

on edit: BTW, does Koniggratzer (sorry, no umlauts) mean 'Royal greeting'?

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Kellanved

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Fri Sep-24-04 02:45 PM
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16. hi

I'm fine, thanks.
Well, FWIW I had the impression that you were simply saying that Williams owes a lot to Wagner.

K�niggr�tz (Hradec Kralove) is a place in Czechia. The march is named for the Battle of K�niggr�tz (1866; Prussia vs. Austria).

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Endangered Specie

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Thu Sep-23-04 09:26 PM
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14. Der Koniggratzer probably.

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