I saw a special on the history of the twin towers last night - interesting

At first I thought "Stop the sap and put back the British comedies".

But then I watched with an open mind and I quickly was drawn into it, it was well produced.

Fascinating, how it was built. How they use dual layers of plasterboard to compensate for no sprinklers in case of fire. :eyes: (Sorry, but one little fire would have ravaged the interior structure to the point where repair would probably not be cost-effective.)

Fascinating, how the structure was supported completely by exterior pillars, with nothing on the interior to support it. Malicious influence excluded, the building is a marvel of humankind's ingenuity. (the show pointed out "American power and might" and all, but I have a certain sense of duplicity here. The pyramids and other wonders had been atrributed to "humankind", so why are the twin towers attributed solely to Americans? Piss on that shit.

Fascinating, how they said that ONLY the 7 "World Trade Center" buildings collapsed but no others did because of the attack. Was the writer trying to coyly make a statement against the insanity which American capitalism has become to? That I applaud.

Fascinating, how before 1980 people hated the towers - but after people started changing their minds (Reaganomics influence?)

Fascinating, how people would climb up the side of it using craftily created supports that fit the sides of the superstructure, or how they tightroped acrossed the two towers several times... Stupid, but fascinating.

The towers were a nice idea, but poorly implemented - in terms of inerior structure design if not lack of following the city's fire code, duh! If they didn't follow the code to the letter, how much sympathy should I reserve? Actually, I can't be cynical on this. The destruction was still outrageous and angering. I utterly disagree with what the buildings represented (American imperial capitalism, they were symbols of what's wrong with America in that regard), but as a monument to what humankind can achieve they are indisputable miracles - and for that the US, and the world, suffered a tremendous loss.

Yet alone the life.

I'm amazed only 3000 people died in buildings that could support nearly 20 times that amount. It was early Monday morning, there was no holiday, so how come only 3000 died - and not several thousand more? That is a tinfoil-tribute of a mystery. We know there's plenty of evidence to show Bush knew (and was either too incompetent or too malicious/plotting-his-own-goals to do anything to save the buildings and the people...) So how come so few died? It's not just sheer luck. No way. It's definitely a plot.

I can understand why people would be upset or angered over America's imperialism, but such destruction as a way of saying "Hey you pigs, you're wrong in how you do things"? That wouldn't convince anybody to change their way of life. Maybe enbolden their existing lifestyle, but it would never change it. And murdering people is a big sin in ANY religion. And the American people haven't helped; they'd rather be cozy with the thought this is a religious war when the perpetrators were irrational insane crazy crackpots, not religious martyrs. They probably used religion to add fuel to a very destructive fire, but they themselves were not religious. Not in the true sense of the religion they pretended to follow. (just as the reich-wing wingnuts who kill doctors and homosexuals and others in the name of Christianity are anything BUT Christian).

I visited my uncle in Manhattan and yes, i had him take me down there. as the hole was rapidly filling with tunnels and stuff, i really had no interest in that, but the building around that had survived. all the much older buildings had survived unscathed. across the street was one of the oldest churches and cemetaries which looked like nothing had happened.(i had been there in 98', but had no onterest in the WTC and did not see this church). I have recently looked at pictures i took then and was amazed at how omnipresent those towers were.

I too watched that history and just shake my head of what was destroyed to put them up.

actually, only 6 of them collapsed, one had to be destroyed, is because those were the only ones the Jews planted explosives in, stupid. sheesh, some people have no sense of history.

actually, since towers one and two fell basically straight down, the debris did the most damage to the neighboring buildings, which happened to be the other WTC buildings.

The PBS one had some interesting graphics on how the I-beams were connected,not rivited, and how the fireproofing matterial was just blown off, and was not at all useful. After I watched that I was warry of going into a large building for simple stuctural reasons.
And there is NO WAY that air is safe, think of just the office equpment that burned. I pray that the fire fighters have a good pension plan cause their gonna get all sorts of reperatory infections and the like in, say, 10 years. This is getting off topic but is any group watching the health of those who were there? This is a case study waiting to happen.

Just thought I'd point that out.

and that was that his whereabouts were unknown for most of the day.