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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:48 PM
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I'm Episcopalian--ask me anything!
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:50 PM
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1. Favorite Episcopalian President of the late '80s and early '90s?
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:51 PM
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3. There was an Episcopalian US President of that era
...but I'd hardly call him a favorite.
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whodiedandmadeUSgod Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:50 PM
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2. How you learn to spell that?
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:52 PM
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4. Always been good at spellin'
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:52 PM
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5. How do you guys get the onions to chop up in such tiny pieces?

I always specify Episcopal chop when I post recipes with onions, but I do so with the knowledge that few non-Episcopalians will be able to do it correctly. I know I can't.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:53 PM
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6.  Do you prefer...
A. Catholic Lite
2. Frozen Chosen
C. God's Frozen People
4. Whiskeypalian

My guy and I are converts (he in 1981, me, 1998).
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:04 PM
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11. Wherever 4 or 5 Episcopalians are gathered
...there's a fifth.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:19 AM
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34. im lutheran
and i like to think of us as "catholic, without the guilt"...it might apply for you too :)


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat
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Dzimbowicz Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 07:34 AM
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38. That's why we are called "whiskeypalians"
I was born and raised Episcopalian, but now I'm Agnostic.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:05 AM
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26. My wife says "Catholic Lite"
And I got some good college stories about those "Whiskeypalians."

Meanwhile, we are left wing social justice Catholics.

Cool post, Rowdyboy!


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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:11 AM
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27. I like Catholic l;ite too!
I wish so much John Paul I had lived a full life. I think modern Catholicism might have had a very different face.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:14 AM
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40. Well, ackshly....
Both the Roman Catholics and the Anglicans have a broad range of worship styles--as do most other denominations. Some Episcopal services might seem more Methodist than RC-lite.

(I say RC because high Episcopalians sometimes refer to themselves as Anglo-Catholics.)
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ablbodyed Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:54 PM
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7. Why do so few piscopalians>>>>
have any actual liberal views? Having been one in a modestly-sized NY town, I can tell you that they're mostly very conservative. And the priest, whom we were drawn to because of her liberal views, ABANDONED them at the MEREST sign of opposition. Sure cured me of the aberration of church attendance. BWT we were very involved, tithed and were dedicated. NEVER again.
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Gnaeus Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:05 PM
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12. Regional Thing
In some places the people are progressive in others there not, kinda like Catholics but we can lean more to the left.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:05 PM
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13. Episcopalians come in all shapes and sizes and viewpoints
Just like real people. Sounds like you fell in with a bad lot! Sorry about that. We're not all like that!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:15 AM
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29. Agreed
My church is VERY inclusive. We have a great group of congregants, straight, gay, black, white, Democrat, Republican. What we all have in common is that we enjoy - no, make that thrive - on one another's differences.

We also have a darn good softball team. ;)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:20 AM
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30. I'm so sorry.. I belong to a 175 year old church in rural Mississippi
(congregation about 100 members). Our priest is quite liberal and steadfast. He has never wavered in his progressive views. I can think of no more than two members of the church who are cool to my partner and me.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:48 AM
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31. If you happen to be in Seattle check out St. Marks
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:00 AM
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33. Would love to!
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:16 AM
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43. And in NYC
...http://www.holytrinityinwood.org

Well worth the schlep on the A train.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:58 PM
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8. what does e to the power of i times pi equal?
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 09:58 PM by Rabrrrrrr
And why?

And where are the Wheaties?

And why does the postman ringeth twice, yea, verily?

And why is the sky blue?

What did you have for dinner?

As an Episcopalian, do you prefer CBS News or is sleeping in late the wrong of other use?

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 09:59 PM
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9. If you're Episcopalian, why aren't you loaded up on gin
by this time of night?
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:16 PM
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15. You don't really want me to answer that, do you?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 06:17 AM
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36. No, I really DO want you to answer that one!
:evilgrin:
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:17 AM
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45. I was actually loading up on the grape when I read that
Green grapes. Not seedless, alas.
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:00 PM
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10. why is it called episcopalian and not the church of england?
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:09 PM
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14. Because it's not the Church of England.
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 10:18 PM by pagerbear
The official name is the Episcopal Church of the USA (ECUSA). Each member church of the Anglican Communion is affiliated with the Church of England, but not a part of it. The Anglican Communion is a bunch of other national (sort of) Anglican churches in other countries. The head of the Church of England is really just a symbolic head of the Worldwide Anglican Communion.

Oh, and the word "episcopal" means, literally, having to do with a bishop. (Remember references to episcopal palaces in Victorian novels?) That refers to the concept of apostolic succession, the doctrine asserting that the chosen successors of the apostles enjoyed through God's grace the same authority, power, and responsibility as was conferred upon the apostles by Jesus. Therefore present-day bishops, as the successors of previous bishops, going back to the apostles, have this power by virtue of this unbroken chain. For the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Anglican churches, this link with the apostles is what guarantees for them their authority in matters of faith, morals, and the valid administration of sacraments. Essential to maintaining the apostolic succession is the right consecration of bishops.

(OK, I looked up that definition.)
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:22 PM
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16. During confirmation, my priest told me we were the "Protestant Episcopal
Church of the USA". The basic meaning of Protestant is non-Catholic. The basic meaning of Episcopal is Catholic. So we are the Non-Catholic Catholic Church of the USA. Pretty much describes my outlook.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:27 PM
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17. There are some who would say Episcopalians are not Protestants
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 10:32 PM by pagerbear
...in that the Anglican church didn't arise from the same "protest" that gave rise to the Lutheran and Calvinist and other Protestant denominations. In fact, Henry VIII didn't really have any theological qualms with the RC church, as it was in England (which, I am given to understand, is somewhat different from how it was in Rome!). The split was political, really.

And Episcopal does not mean Catholic. Episcopal is a synonym for bishopric. But I think that's a dangerous word to throw around in this crowd!
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:00 PM
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20. Actually,. Episcopal means "governed by a hierarchy of bishops".
Edited on Mon Nov-01-04 11:18 PM by Spider Jerusalem
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:02 PM
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21. Dictionary definition
e·pis·co·pal (ĭ-pĭs'kə-pəl)
adj.
1. Of or relating to a bishop.
2. Of, relating to, or involving church government by bishops.
3. Episcopal Of or relating to the Episcopal Church.


e·pis'co·pal·ly adv.
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:28 PM
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18. thank you, I had always wondered
and my southern baptist husband, was no use
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 10:32 PM
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19. I'm here for ya!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:06 PM
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22. What is a nave, you knave!
BTW, in that "one holy catholic and apostolic church " biz, catholic means "universal." Saying that word in a Creed used to drive my Baptist in-laws nuts when they visited St. Whatever's
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:16 PM
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23. But the word "catholic" is in the Apostle's Creed
...which is used in most Protestant denominations. I grew up saying it as a Methodist and a Presbyterian.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:27 PM
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24. But what is a nave?
Knave
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-04 11:47 PM
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25. Nave, n.
nave (nāv) , in general, all that part of a church that extends from the atrium to the altar and is intended exclusively for the laity. In a strictly architectural sense, however, the term indicates only the central aisle, excluding side aisles. The floor plan of a wide central portion with narrower aisles on either side existed in the typical hypostyle hall of Egyptian temples and later in the Roman civic basilicas. From the latter it passed into the churches of the early Middle Ages and gradually to Gothic cathedrals. The nave, in the developed Gothic style, became the main body of the structure. Internally the piers, rising the full height of the nave walls to carry the ribs of the four-part vault or sexpartite vault, divided the walls into a series of bays in which three features, ground floor arcade, triforium, and clerestory, were evident, one above another.


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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:14 AM
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28. Are you high church or low church?
I'm moderately high church, but I don't like the real high Anglo-Catholic type that one of my graduate school friends described as, "Let's dress up and play Vatican."
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:18 AM
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46. Moderately high church.
I love a good show. But I readily sacrifice ostentation for warmth!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 12:55 AM
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32. Do you really let chicks be priests?
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:14 AM
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41. Me, personally? Sure!
And actually, I know several woman Anglican priests. Some really very admirable women!
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 01:21 AM
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35. Cool!
Have you ever heard Bishop Spong speak? That guy rocks!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 06:52 AM
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37. Ah! read "Born of a Woman" to learn more....
It will always be on my bookshelf
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NamVetsWeeLass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 07:36 AM
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39. Robin williams says being an Episcopalian
is like being Catholic Light... Is this your take on it as well?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:15 AM
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42. Do you love me?
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:18 AM
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47. More than words can say!
And Josh, too!
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:20 AM
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49. Haha!!!
:loveya:
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:25 AM
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50. Right back atcha!
Are you coming to my show this weekend?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:39 AM
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51. Unfortunately I can't make it to the city this weekend - I have a commitme
nt. But keep me in the loop - I will come see you yet!
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:47 AM
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52. You'd better!
Remember, you owe me a kiss!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:16 AM
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44. Were you ever Catholic? eom
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-04 08:19 AM
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48. Nope.
Grew up Methodist and Presbyterian. Started getting singing jobs in Episcopal churches with big choirs and big budgets and fell in love with the worship style and tradition. And the music and musical tradition.
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