Question for the ladies- what will you do when Roe is overturned?

Me, I'm not waiting around. I live in Georgia, so if Roe v. Wade is overturned, choice will simply cease to exist in my state. I'm almost 33 and my partnerr and I have no desire to have children. We both agree that if we change our minds, we would adopt because there's so many kids who need homes. So this January, after my annual exam, I'm going to get fixed. I'm trying to talk him into getting snipped, but for some reason, he's strangely protective of his balls.

So what are you going to do?

And boy, I'm going to start hoarding my Orthocyclin- god only knows when they're going to go after THAT.

Oh wait, too late!

One of my cousins is a lesbian. At the last family reunion, she came out as a lesbian. We were quiet while the news sank in and another cousin, who has five children by four men and only one marriage under her belt, said, "Damn. I wish I'd thought of that,"

Sorry I couln't help myself.

And pissed that the younger generation didn't care enough to fight to preserve the right to choose.

I don't know how you guys can put all this on an entire age group of people. That's fucking messed up.

Remember this - it was when this older gen was younger that we fought the fight to get the right to choose. So, don't tell me my thoughts are messed up. Those who didn't vote, especially the younger generation who will be directly affected, are messed up and I have every right to be pissed about that fact.

All of my friends both under and over 18 were fired up to vote and voice their opinions. I don't understand how this has happened again, I just cannot get it around my head that the rate for 18-24 stayed the same. Based on observation alone, it seemed like more people were getting involved. Maybe most of them did not follow through on their promises. I couldn't have done anymore than I did to get the vote out to my generation. Many of us gave everything we had to this election, and I am not taking the blame for it. One of the problems we had is that we were not happy with either of the candidates that we presented. A great deal of my friends, in frustration, voted for Nader or Cobb. The Democrats can't ignore the rift in this party anymore. It's a rift between the young and the old that I see even on this message board. It's there, and if you can't see it- you are blind.

The question was put to the women here and I answered how I felt about those who didn't vote. Get over it.

Your statement: "pissed that the younger generation didn't care enough to fight to preserve the right to choose."

Certainly sounds like a generalization to me. There are old people who voted for Bush, which you seem to be conveniently forgetting.

I was forever in their debt; and I don't think the second wave did enough.

I'm shaking my head sadly, I remember the civil rights movement and the women's movement.

We really need to study history more.

second wave sister...

don't despair. your siblings of the third wave lack a bit of focus at times (we each have our own cause), but look for us to join ranks with you again. WE are in your debt. It's a sad thing that the rest of the world thinks the term "I am a feminist, but. . . "

I start my freshman year of college in September. I'm just going to have to be especially careful. When I'm done with school, I'm fairly sure I'll be moving to Ontario or Quebec. I feel very at home in Canada and live a couple hours from the border in NY.

But I am encouraging my 34-year-old about-to-be-divorced daughter to have a tubal ligation, since I'm convinced birth control pills will soon be made illegal. There is already an organization whose physician members will not prescribe the pill for any reason--birth control, regulate periods, address health needs, etc.--and there are pharmacists who won't fill the prescriptions. Talk about shoving their beliefs down our throats! My daughter already has children and definitely does not want more. I admire your willingness to adopt kids if you decide you want to parent. Speaking of choice--that's a good one!

Tired Old Cynic

I hate having irregular periods.

Called Sarafem, a tricyclic. Works fine, I've used it because my pills here are too expensive. Well, it works fine for regulating periods and birth control. Don't know if it can be used for "morning after" purposes. It's low dose.

I will become the right-wing fundy nut-jobs' worst nightmare...an armed, pissed off feminist.

If I were pregnant and didn't want to be, I'd take a 6 hour drive to Canada or fly to the UK. I'm a grown woman in the middle class though (for now anyway). Poor, young girls in rural areas won't have that option.

If they ban the pill, go to Canada and stock up or mail order via Canada. Get my tubes tied once I hit 40 probably as well.

It's that type of attitude that makes Democrats so venemous. Abortion isn't a form of birth-control, and I don't want to hear ANY Democrat claiming that it is.

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if watching our language is so fucking important you might want to reconsider calling me a douchebag.

And don't me to "calm down". I'm sick and fucking tired of being told to calm down when it's my fucking rights people want to take away.

Since you want to judge me, let me tell you about my personal life. I'm going through a divorce with someone who has been fixed for a number of few years, therefore, if I were to have sexual relationship again, I'd better "go back on the pill". Thanks for the judgement though when you know nothing.

Have a freeper day! :hi:

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself :)

and read what she said. If you don't want to hear from us Democrats, then get the fuck out.

and go off to South Carolina to start your Fundie Nation

No wonder we can't win a fucking election. Look at you. First sign of trouble and we all turn on one another. All of the sudden I'm a goddamn fundie. If you want to know how I feel about this, just look at my blog. Link is in the signature.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a Republican, a freeper, or a fundie. Learn who your allies are. Isn't that one of the tenets of our party?

Edit: Link WAS in the signature.

http://www.turnspit.com

but thanks for playing.

Second, you picked a really bad day to come onto this board and start fucking with long-time members. We all know who SarahBelle is. Everyone knows who I am. Who the hell are you? And where do you get off copping a fucking attitude?

...who's goddamned sick of being called a freeper for having differing opinions.

because you're being a condescending prick. Not the best way to start your (probably short) DU membership.

I have been faced with an unplanned pregnancy. Have you? I was in a relationship. I married the man and spent years doing the right thing to make it work. You don't know me. I have never had an abortion and frankly, it would break my heart and I don't know if I could if I conceived a child through a loving relationship, but I will be damned if anyone has legal rights over my body to tell me I couldn't.

In the meantime, if I am to have have sex with someone who could get me pregnant, I'll go on the pill.

Have a freeper day!

...I have had an unplanned pregnancy. If you want to get technical about it, my fiancee was the one who was pregnant. That's beside the point.

If I mistook your words, I apologize. But PLEASE watch your language. Never EVER refer to the words "abortion" and "the pill" in the same fucking paragraph. We're already demonized enough because of this one issue.

it isn't your fucking place to tell us what words we can and cannot use in a fucking paragraph. The only ones who really like to use "abortion" and "birth control" in the same paragraph are republicans who want to use it as a wedge issue.

How does my concern about our framing make me a Republican again? I don't follow the logic here.

This is simple.

#1: If I interpreted Sarah's post, that means freepers could as well. Things like this show up in their little sewing circles as proof that we're Satanists.

#2: Because I believed Sarah was condoning abortion as a form of birth control, I unconsciously blamed her--and those like her--for the loss of this election. All of the "moral values" shit is 80% abortion, 20% gay marriage.

#3: To frame our issues, we must discipline ourselves when talking about the issues. Even asking the question, "What will you do if Roe v. Wade is overturned?" makes it sound as if we USE Roe v. Wade on a regular basis, like an ATM card. That isn't the case, and we shouldn't be giving anyone the impression that it is.

If you disagree, fine. Quit calling me a Republican. I campaigned for John Kerry. Donated money to John Kerry, the DNC, the DCCC; I've blogged for Kerry; I've argued for Kerry, and just because my opinions differ doesn't mean I want to be alienated from this "fine" community that is supposed to be so accepting.

Jesus H. Christ. Even if we don't say anything controversial, they'll just take what we do say and twist it around, lie about it, misrepresent it and misattribute it. Or haven't you been paying attention the last four years?

Fuck you on Roe vs. Wade. It affects EVERY woman. Roe v. Wade is based on the right to contraception, which itself is based on the right to privacy. If/when Roe goes down, it rips away the underpinning of most of the rights we hold dear.

It DOES affect every woman, and that's why I stand firm behind abortion rights. We're misinterpreting one another and that's what is causing this conflict. I'm going to stop my end of the debate here because our guns should be pointed at the enemy, not one another. Again, I apologize to Sarah for misintepreting her post, and I apologize for being condescending. I'm in a shitty mood today for obvious reasons and I'm looking for someone to blame.

I understand you're in a bad mood and looking for someone to blame but it was a monumentally BAD idea to come in here as a newbie and start blaming Democratic women.

That said, since you're apologizing I will as well for calling you names. I make a motion we all take a little time out, some deep breaths, whatever.

But it does explain a lot.

You have no right. I've been here for two years. You are....?
A disruptor?

Did you marry her? What kind of father are you? Still part of the kid's life? What have you done with your gonads to prevent any more of your seed from impregnating people? Come on, let's get personal here. Go for it....

It's mealy-mouthed idiocy to allow the right-wing to control our vocabulary.

Abortion isn't first-line birth control, but it is a back-up method, sort of like using condoms AND foam. But anyone who thinks that it's anything other than a last resort A)doesn't understand the female body B) doesn't give women much credit and C) doesn't understand basic economics.

I've never had an abortion, but when I was having a miscarriage five years ago, the OB/GYN had to do a D&C on me to remove whatever material was leftover. Due to medical circumstances, they couldn't give me anything stronger than an aspirin for pain. It was the most intense pain I have ever felt in my life. It was indescribable. It was hideous. It was hell on earth for about five minutes. Afterwards, the nurse told me that an actual abortion lasts twenty-five to thirty minutes. No one would go through that if they didn't absolutely have to, and no one would put themselves in that position lightly. No way.

Have you been in the same place that one of us girls have been in? Why is it that when babies are born to the poor right wingers don't want to give them food stamps and welfare?

If a 16 year old kid has a baby and she drops out of High School how the hell is she suppose to pay her living expenses until she can get a better job? Do you think that everyone has a Mommy and a Daddy that will pay for that baby and take care of it up until the day it hits 20?

Until it happens to you then you don't have a right to take the option away. Of course it isn't birth control and if women used it as a form of birth control their uterus would fall out.

But I wasn't disagreeing with abortion rights. I AGREE with abortion rights. And I wasn't SAYING it IS a form of birth control, I was pointing out that THAT is what Republicans say about those who choose to have an abortion.

I have a heavily Republican family and I can count how many times they've said, "Democrats just want to have sex with no consequences, they have 3, 4, and 5 abortions."

Seeing Sarah's post freaked me out because I've been defending abortion rights for so long.

Once you have one you should have learned a lesson abortions are not a form of birth control.

and in all actuality, weren't things pretty well set to overturn Roe vs Wade for the last four years? I think if they really wanted to do so, they could have done it. But I also think if they had, that a lot of their steam would have been lost. So long as Roe versus Wade is still on the book, they have a very powerful tool to keep the religious right in their pocket and to keep the nation divided.

Rehnquist isn't going to make it to the inauguration.

SCOTUS was the killer issue for me.

Be afraid, be VERY afraid.

I thought like you last night, and then the lame-duck thing hit home.

Delivers all the base they need in '08.

But I worry about my daughter. And someday, her daughter....etc.

Mine is almost 13.

I don't believe for one second that overturning Roe v. Wade will reduct abortions. It will just make poor and middle class women have illegal and unsafe abortion. Rich white women will always find a way.

Clinton's administration.

for women needing birth control or abortion services who can't get it in their own states.

California women have that right in our State Constitution, thank the gods. We should help others who may not be so lucky.

time to revive jane?

It really was no big deal - and so much easier then me getting fixed. More men should be so mature.

it will no longer be a Federal protection but some States will still allow abortions. I would consider moving to a Blue State if that happens.

And all other females in this country. They're losing their rights again. It seems like the 'pukes want this country the way it was in the 16 and 1700's, where women have no rights and they stay home to take care of the kids. Women are also losing their right to get birth control because of the ultra-fundies. We're supposed to be the best country in the world, where everyone is equal. But it seems like we're the worst when it comes to social issues. Those eleven or so states that voted against gay marriage just proves my point.

This is utterly pathetic.

For those of that believe we should be allowed to control our own bodies, we should be continuing to fight those that want to control us. Have a serious talk with him about the V. My husband got one for me. It wasn't too terrible according to him. It's a much faster procedure than you having surgery. Partner should talk to some others that have had one.
I am very scared about what is going to be taken away from us.

That's great, but 1 in 4 women are raped in their lives (at least). What happens then?

I want control of my body!

GOod numbers of women, especially younger women, experience rape. Also, good numbers of women, even married women, may want not necessarily always be having sex with their partner with the "V" every single time. The woman has to have control of her own body, not depend on a partner. Monogamy is most honored in the breach in the U.S.

I completely agree with you. If those people have their way, abortion will not be allowed under any circumstances. That's why we all have to fight to protect RvW. That's the problem with anti-abortion supporters. They don't respect the beliefs of others.

I hope it doesn't get overturned. I will pray for the health of Justices Ginsberg, Stephens, Souter, Breyer and O'Connor daily.

I will take to the streets to fight for my younger sisters out there. No one should be forced into situations that they can't deal with. Or into dangerous situations just to be able to choose to be in charge of their own bodies and lives.


Peace (until other means are necessary)

Overturning Roe v. Wade is just the beginning. The really fundy fundies want to ban all forms of birth control as well. And I'll bet that * and his coterie will agree so that OB-GYNs can "practice their love" again. Well and to have a ready supply of cannon fodder. I'm lucky in that I'm practically past child-bearing years and my husband had a vasectomy years ago. We adopted a little girl from China last year so we have a daughter. It's her that I'm concerned about. And for my daughter I'll do anything. If I have to I'll take her to Canada or Europe for whatever she needs.

Why should you have an inpatient, expensive, invasive surgical procedure, when he can be in and out in an hour for under $1K?

When I realized that my lack of desire for children (of my own -- I have lovely stepkids) wasn't a phase I would outgrow, I had myself fixed. It hurt like hell for about 48 hours and after that, it was fine. I've never regretted it.

We ought ot be very careful. Roe v. Wade is step one... fundies are also against birth control!! AAAAAAAAA!!! Will Trojan-man be their next target?!??!

Make a lot of noise. Maybe it won't do anything but I refuse to keep my mouth shut. It wouldn't affect me myself as I'm 44 and had a hysterectomy anyway but I have two daughters in their 20's and a son of 17 - and it does affect men too. Of course, one of my daughters voted for the fucking idiot who I will not name but I will fight for her rights if she won't.

More women will have babies that they don't necessarily want.

More women will die in childbirth, delivering a child who has no hope of surviving.

More families will become poor caring for a severely disabled child who lives only briefly, but in an expensive NICU unit.

There will be more poverty among children in this country.

There may be more abuse of children.

There certainly won't be financial or emotional support from the GOP for all the children whose lives they claim are so precious.

There won't be funding for the services needed to care for disabled newborns with no real chance of survival who will use enormous resources during their brief lives.

So those of us with compassion and empathy in our hearts will loudly and clearly fight to point out the sorry state of so many children and families in the wealthiest nation in the world.

We will fight to provide them with food, education, and happy, stable homes.

And in another decade or more, perhaps the rest of America will see the harm that is about to come.

I volunteer my services to drive women from california to BC to get an abortion.

And I also volunteer my services to smuggle RU486 into the country.

And DU is as good a place to start one as any.

when we can afford it.

With another four years of Bush, I'm seriously worried the pill will become illegal, too. There are already so many doctors and pharmacists who refuse to dispense it snf a huge grassroots movement to have it declared a form of abortion, not to mention the Republican party's wish to pass a human rights amendment.

See http://www.prevention.com/cda/feature2002/0,2479,s1-7342-P,00.html re refusal of doctors to prescribe the pill...

never have...probably never will....
birth control is a wonderful thing...

Birth control fails sometimes.

It's not perfect, though.