BRING BACK THE DRAFT!! -- I Support The Draft!! Really!

Whether it's a 'special skills conscription' or 'targeted needs recruitment'... we need a COMPULSORY DRAFT.

Something that Redqueen said earlier made me start thinking about this, and even though it's a sad thought, there's much truth behind it. Basically... America's youth (and America herself) will not oppose this war, and the upcoming wars, unless they are FORCED to fight in it.

A national draft that will bring the ultimate cost of war to more families will surely cause some action. When today's youth realizes that they are just one lottery pick away... that their birth-date will come up eventually... they too will start to be a bit more proactive in their opposition to Bush policies.

-- Allen

No, I'm not kidding.

However, maybe if a few million more ** voters lose their jobs and have to go hungry because their jobs get outsourced to Malaysia. And if their precious babies they want so many of get shipped off to die in oil wars and nation building operations, maybe that will wake a couple of people up. Maybe when Shrub uses an executive order to make fundevangelical protestantism the only legal religion in America, that will knock some sense into a few peoples' heads.

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Terrorist attacks do not kill Republicans. They kill AMERICANS. Terrorist attacks end lives, cause pain and suffering for millions. To even suggest such a thing is chilling. Furthermore, you know Pukes pounce on terror attacks: they exploit victims; they go to war against brown people; they strike fear into the hearts of Americans. Terrorist attacks are not funny and not helpful for our cause.

The American people rose up and said that they would rather vote against their own interests in order to disenfranchise a small number of people who do not affect their lives in any way (gays).

Let them die.

I have no president.
I have no government.
I have no country.

I'm outta here.

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But I hope you find someplace that makes you happy. I would love to live in Italy, and I will if I have to. But for now I am going to stay behind and start helping rebuild.

It's between Spain, France, and Italy right now. My big vote is for Italy, too, but I'll go wherever my small group of soon-to-be expats decides to go in the end.

I wish I felt there was something to rebuild. :( If I did, I'd stay and fight. I am not a quitter. But I know when I'm outnumbered.

We are going to have to eat a lot of crow and rebuild from the bottom up. Maybe in 2008 we can take back the presidency; in 16 years, maybe we can use our resources better to change minds from hate to love and from greed to generosity. It will be an uphill battle, no doubt about it. It may end up with a lot of liberals in jail for being "terraists." I don't mean they are going to blow things up. I mean they are going to be "thought terraists," people who refuse to toe the administration's line. I just do not know. It is a scary road we have to build.

"Terrorist attacks do not kill Republicans."

In fact, they disproportionately kill Democrats, at least the 9/11 attacks. People in the red states vote for Bush and his wars, while the blue urban northeast has to deal with the consequences.

"red people" are manufactured via radio waves and ecclesiastical authority. They do not think for themselves; they do what they are told to do by the authority figures they have been indoctrinated to trust at all costs. Thinking is hard; thinking is not fun. What is fun is picking on weaker people and being self righteous. So their reaction is to be afraid, as coached, but not afraid enough to question their authority figures. Do as we say or else. "Blue" people are not indoctrinated as such. Most think for themselves, and are not afraid to call a spade a spade or to question what their leaders are doing. They question why they should be afraid, and why the authority figures are not doing what they should. There are more "red" people these days than "blue" people, so the dominant memes are the red memes.

and gives ammunition for the wingers to use against us.

But a draft? Yes, even though I would likely never get to see my daughter again in this lifetime: Bring it on! No exemptions! No mickey-mouse medical deferremnts for boo-boos on asses, no TANG hide-outs for rich brats, no alternative service. Make the kids of the policy makers just as liable for their folly as the kids of the poor woman in the inner city.

No quarter for the scions of war profiteers! Dress 'em up, send them to train, make them write home and beg for bottles of water and baby wipes if their parents insist on haveing wars of empire. They are so good at pointing out that we don't need to offer "special treatment" to any particular group, let them understand FULLY just what it is to be American: put them all in the military and let them understand what it really costs.

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My guess is you have nothing to lose. YOU go fight but keep your hands the hell off of my kids.

... but that's okay. Anger is good. Now redirect your anger away from me and point it in the direction where it's deserved.

-- Allen

Wanting other people to serve--this is the same kind of crap I hear from my fundie friends. They don't care who the hell dies in *'s wars as long as its not their kids. So fuck that kind of thinking. We need mandatory national service for every single male and female between 18 and 22. Everyone serves in some capacity! And when everyone has to serve, then everyone will have a higher stake in whether we go marching across the world in endless war.

Its the only fair way.

They are inconsolable right now. They don't deserve to suffer because half of this country is downright stupid and voted for Bush.

Anyone with even a particle of brain matter can see it happening. We have that "Bush Doctrine" that gives this country the right to invade any country we want...if we feel it's a threat...and no matter if we have to lie to get us into war.

So, more Iraqs. Iran, Syria...hell, even North Korea (although there's really no oil in North Korea)

n/t

(because it will also affect those of us who didn't vote for Bush), I really wonder if there is anything else that can wake these young people up? Vietman and the 60's is a distant, historical thing to them that they can't relate to. Its easy to be Conservative and support the war because they don't have to fight it. Harsh reality is what made the young people in the 60's active, involved and concerned about the future of this country in a deep way. Maybe a harsh dose of reality is what todays youth needs. Too bad we cannot seem to learn from the lessons of the past. It seems every generation has to get knocked upside the head in order to learn anything.

I equated the activism of the Sixties youth with the very real threat to their lives.

I dare say the PS2'ers would be a lot more motivated and in-tune if there was a chance they were going to wind up ducking actual bullets.

Don't get me wrong, I abhor the notion of a draft because I abhor war, but kids don't seem to get that what's going on right now affects them eventually.

So make the effect more imminent.

I'm glad that a lot of us are thinking along the same lines.

-- Allen

would rush to sign up to show their support for bush* and his policies. All of them 18 to ???? With that much support a draft wouldn't be needed for a little while.

Since they're mostly blowhard chickenshits.....

Glad to find your thread. Last night I was hunting around the net for Army enlistment forms to print out and keep. I want to carry them with me to hand them to pro war wingers who engage me in conversation.

I did find this one site but could only find a reenlistment one. Maybe there's a site folks can point me to? I'd rather not go to the recruitment office. :scared:
http://www.army.mil/usapa/eforms/DA3256_to_DA3677-R_1.html

Someone asked the very same question in another thread. I bookmarked the link that someone else provided for them. Here it is for you:

http://www.dior.whs.mil/forms/DD0004.pdf

It should be a post in itself. I printed out three copies which I'll be taking to class with me tonight. I just found out a girl I talk to in class is VERY pro-Bush (don't know how I missed that before???) ... she's also young with no kids. I'll have to give her one tonight.

:hi:

to swing the electorate to out side. Even cam up with a name this AM. How about "Draft Now" Direct it to all those folks with support our troops on their cars. Frame it as :If you support our troops, you must support a Draft Now. Give facts and figure about dead and maimed. Point out we need to go into Iran and we will be doing so. Do it as a grass roots effort, hand bills, LTTE, etc. Give them Rep & Senators names and numbers, encourage them to call and demand a draft. I think we could swing the moderate Repukes and their spawn. Could start winning in the 2006 elections. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x11900

I served and I have a deep appreciation of what it means to be an American. Most of these young Republicans I meet are clueless. I nice 15 mile tactical march in full combat gear would do them a world of good lol. :evilgrin:

There's another, better reason though. My husband and I have watched in dismay for the last few years as the enlisted Army swings father to the right. We need change in individual political ideology in the force. Some of these kids are going to "grow up" to be First Sgts and Sgt Majors. These are positions of influence and power that should be held by people who pragmatic, not grounded in dogma, and willing to use their brains. A draft would at least ensure that the Army is a better reflection of the full spectrum of American political beliefs. One way or another, we have to make that happen.

they are such a bunch of twits!!!

And I agree!!

We can convert to the Society of Friends (Quaker) and claim "conscientious objector," since we voted against Bush.

Me? My childhood medical records say "asthma," so I'm out ;)