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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:58 PM
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Any suggestions for our cat-pee problem?
With so many clever cat people in here, maybe one of you can offer a suggestion for dealing with our Bud

Bud is a 15-year-old male (neutered) coon cat who's taken to peeing in odd corners. We've had him checked up down and sideways by our vet and come up with nothing but a small loss of kidney funtion, supposedly normal in a cat of his age. We thought maybe it was getting to be too far to the litter box downstairs and added more litter boxes. We thought maybe the sides of the litter boxes were too high and added easy-access litter boxes. We have litter boxes all over the house.

He's still doing it.

A couple of theories...

He's one of six cats and has lately been bumped from his role as alpha cat by a couple of our younger cats. Maybe he's trying to mark territory.

My husband thinks Bud's out to get him personally because whenever he leaves a T-shirt or something on the floor, Bud seems to pee on it.

Any advice from the cat people here?
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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:03 PM
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1. Both of your theories are probably in play here.
In other words, Bud is pissed, and he is letting you know about it.

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Middle Finger Bush Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:04 PM
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2. is it that real stinky pee or normal pee?

I've seen cats change from that behavior through only 2 ways... becoming the only cat or being given access to the outdoors
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:05 PM
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3. We have had similar problems. I suggest asking about kitty prozac.
If it's the other cats intimidating him, he'll feel ever so much better. This has worked with my daughter's cat. If it works, it's great. But you have to be consistent in giving him his meds. And the girl child can identify with you husband's feelings. Her cat really liked laundry and comforters. Good luck.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:16 PM
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6. hi ... a question ..."kitty prozac"? What is that?
my 1 1/2 year-old cat is hyper-aggressive towards my two slightly older cats. Your comment looks interesting. By "kitty prozac" are you talking about catnip or something like that?
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commander bunnypants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:26 PM
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12. regular prozac
ayt kitty strength. I cant giive any suggestions. Sebastian Cattbutt started having the same problems at that age and well....... Sorry I did not respond earlier. Kinda of difficult but good luck friend

DDQM
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:26 PM
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13. It's a drug prescribed by the vet. It acts like prozac does in humans.
It has really helped my daughter's cat. He a nice cat who acts like a little orange dog, but he is a bit neurotic.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:34 PM
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18. I don't think they're actively intimidating him
No fighting, spitting, or rude noises. It's just that a couple of the others now feel free to push Bud aside where once they wouldn't dream of it. I'll ask the vet about kitty Prozac when he goes in next week.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:13 PM
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4. Old alphas who get kicked out of their spot don't take it well.
:(

I've only lived in that situation once, and the solution was to separate the cats in question.

Didn't consider nor try the above mentioned kitty prozac. Might be worth a try?
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Eccho Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:13 PM
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5. Be sure and put vinegar
in the spots where he goes afterwards. It will at least deter him from that spot again.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:18 PM
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7. A stapler
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 05:00 PM
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23. pee on the cat
That'll learn him
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:19 PM
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8. One thing you need to do is shower him with loving attention
Take all the other good advice here, but I always bet on loving attention helping in all matters.

Nancy (with Pad Thai sleeping on my shoulder).
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:22 PM
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9. Get some Nature's Miracle from the pet store
That will get the smell out of the carpet so he doesn't remark.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:24 PM
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11. We use gallons of the stuff
Couldn't live without it. And we fortunately have hardwood floors.
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RazzleCat Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:28 PM
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14. More votes for Natures Miracle
One other idea. I had a "piss off" going on in my house. After drenching the area with NM I placed a milk crate over it so no one could hit that zone again (you could use anything that would allow air to circulate, but keep kitties out). Waited for it to dry, doused again, put the cover back on, after second time removed the crate. No more problem.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:22 PM
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10. The washing machine where possible, fabreeze where it is not...
Cats will do that when they are upset, angry, or feel that their territory has been invaded. Is there a room where you cat can be away from the other cats? If so, keep him primarily in there (make sure that you spend time with him away from the other cats, too.

Perhaps a little solitude and loads of affection from you will help get rid of the problem.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:31 PM
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15. Sounds like a training issue

Your husband needs to be trained to not leave clothing on the floor.
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:32 PM
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16. My cat did this and the vet put him on some pink medicine we gave
to him by eye dropper, and it was cured in a day or so. We do have him on some sort of prescription food because the vet said he could die from this..little crystals of sand form in his penis and make it impossible to pee per usual..
Hope he is ok
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:33 PM
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17. Yep, Bud's pissed! LOL no pun intended....
Yes, he is marking his territory. I found that putting Pine-Sol wherever they 'go' pretty much keeps them from going there again.

He needs some extra lovin'.

I used to have a cat named Bud, not that that's important, LOL just
think it's a good name.

Peace
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miss_kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:35 PM
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19. put food bowls in piss zones
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 05:09 PM by mlle_chatte
my neighbour who is a cat care person has had some success with that.

at least pee washes out of t-shirts. Has your husband pissed Bud off?
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Baja Margie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:36 PM
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20. We had a similar problem
with Emily. I cannot tell you how many times I had to have the furniture recovered. Anyway, the Doctor gave her hormone shots, once every month & it just stopped after about 6 months of treatment. Good luck.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:46 PM
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21. Absent a urinary tract
infection which you must absolutely ascertain
as they will associate pain with litter box and
stop using it. We had an incident like this with
a 15 year old female sometime ago when grandchildren
visited. After thorough exam vet decided problem
was strictly between her ears. Isolated her in
separate room with litter box, food and water
for several days. Re-instilled in her thought process
that the box was only place for her to go. Took
several days and lots of crying but worked. Also
might ask vet if food with anti-biotic for older
cats to prevent urinary tract infections available
and if recommended in this instance. Fifteen years
of age I would really make certain problem NOT
physical.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:55 PM
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22. He's been checked
Urine checked, blood checked, cat checked. He's going back next week for a recheck. A couple of weeks of antibiotics made no difference except the cat learned to really hate banana-flavored liquids and to run when he saw it coming. Why on earth would they give a banana-flavored antibiotic to a cat?
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 07:47 PM
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24. The isolation treatment
worked for our female and she lived
another six years to the ripe old age
of 21 when all vitals just shut down
and had to have her put to sleep. She
was my wifes favorite and still miss her.
Still have two though and appreciate them
very much. Good luck if you decide to try
the above.
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