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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:15 PM
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Let's all move to Massachusetts.
Oops. Sorry. I mean TAXachusetts. Let's all go to gay wedding receptions and write letters to the Boston Globe saying fuck bush. Let's be with our own kind. Let's breathe free again. Am I making sense or should I take my medication now? Eh?
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snacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:16 PM
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1. I have always wanted to live there.
I think it has something to do with the Kennedy-mystique from my
childhood years.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:16 PM
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2. Mass kicks Ass!
I lived in MA for 7 years. Still miss it. I might go back myself, but I never did get used to the subway closing at 1:00 am. :)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:16 PM
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3. WHy not Florida or Ohio?
We all move into the big electoral states, get into power, then eliminate the electoral college since repukes never will, after doing what we'd be attempting.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:18 PM
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4. Liberals should spread, not ghettoize ourselves.
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 01:18 PM by JVS
If we all move to Mass. First of all there won't be room. Secondly, the Electoral college will always favor the right.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:19 PM
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6. True.
Guess I should take my medication then.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:29 PM
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17. Not true, actually.
The electoral college is based on population. If we overload the blue states with people, they'll get more electoral votes given to them. Let's get PA up to 50! Cali up to 100!
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:30 PM
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19. Right on!!
Illinois up to 150, Washington state up to 100. The sky's the limit!! Seriously, how many people live in Oklahoma.....six?
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:57 PM
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52. Oklahoma
had a population explosion last year.

We went from 6 to 600. GO SOONERS!!!!!!
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:34 PM
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61. Great!!!
How many of the 600 are dem?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:32 PM
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21. Making dark blue states even darker accomplishes nothing
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:38 PM
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24. You're not following me.
The population of each state is what the number of electoral votes is based on. It doesn't matter how many states are red and how many blue. It matters how many votes those states have. That's how the Rethugs can win 3/4 of the states and only have 51% (MAYBE) of the vote.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:44 PM
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25. You're not thinking about this right
Each state gets 2 electoral votes before population is even considered. If every liberal moves to Massachusets then there will be an 98-2 split in the senate with the Democrats being in the minority. The other Electoral votes are based roughly on population. So, of the 438 house seats suppose MA had half of them because every liberal in the country lived there. MA goes blue the rest of the country goes red. EV totals look like this Republican 219+98 Democratic 219+2 Republicans win
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:46 PM
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26. Well, I wasn't seriously talking about us all moving to one state.
Let's say we split all the liberals evenly between the blue states. Then how does your hypothesis work?
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:50 PM
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28. Okay JVS and janesez.....
This thread was more of a whimsical wish fullfillment type thing....we all know it isn't practical for us all to move to Massachusetts. Oops. TAXachusetts. Let's all get along. Okay?
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:57 PM
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32. We're not fighting at all.
We are discussing scenarios. At least I am. Seriously, I feel no animosity whatsoever, I'm just trying to understand JVS's point and he's patiently explaining it to me. :shrug: It's okay. :)
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:58 PM
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33. Okay.
Just didn't want to be the catalyst for any bad feelings. It's cool.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:53 PM
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29. There are still less blue states
So at the very least it is a recipe for continued republican dominance in the senate. However moving Democrats from dark red states into battleground states would help
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:54 PM
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31. Wow.
That would be me. I'm in Alabama. Is there a fund somewhere I could tap into for this?
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:50 PM
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27. If we spread out, it'll be harder to round us all up...!
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:15 PM
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60. Now you're thinking! n/t
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:18 PM
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5. Screw that. Let's all move to Ohio.
See if they're set up to steal that many more votes. :P
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:22 PM
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8. That would be a better solution to the problem,
True enough. I guess I was just fantasizing about living in the America I grew up with; and thinking Mass is the closest thing to it right now. We all know the challenges that face us over the long haul, but I also think we need a little stroking right now, even if it is whimsical.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:21 PM
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7. I smiled just reading your post.
I live in Texas.

I want to live in a blue state! :cry:
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:23 PM
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10. I hear ya Moonbeam_Starlight.
I live in Alabama. Same difference. Maybe if we look at it as though we are the best hope for the red states, we can get through these next four years. Ya think?
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:28 PM
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16. Pick the two southern states with the most electoral votes
and then all southern Dems move to one of the two. We'll take the south back slowly...

It's a thought anyway... :)
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:32 PM
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20. That's a cool strategy.
Although I'm one Southern Dem that would like to start saying "you guys" instead of "ya'll". Maybe we can trade with Yankee dems.
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Shoeempress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:22 PM
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9. Housing in Mass is crazy expensive. Bars close at 1 a.m. No alcohol
sold on Sundays. Lived there 15 years and enjoyed it, but to get a reasonable house, moved to NH, that and the no Helmets on the motorcycle thing. Don't concentrate our numbers, move somewhere your vote counts, i.e. a swing state. Mine did here in NH and it got me to volunteer for Kerry. Met great friends and really had fun.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:25 PM
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13. I know.
Although I live in West Blocton Alabama and booze can't be sold in this county legally anytime. (needless to say, I visit the next county often). I'm just being dreamy, irresponsible and whimsical for the moment. We need this a little, no?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:54 PM
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30. Some bars close at 2, and alcohol is now sold on Sundays
Just to update you :-)
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Shoeempress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:17 PM
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36. I believe only within ten miles of NH's border or between thanksgiving
and New Years, or did Mitt the Moron actually sign pro-alcohol legislation?
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:18 PM
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38. No, many stores are open till 6 or 8, well below NH, and all year.
Dunno who signed it.
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:23 PM
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11. How about Minnesota?
That way, I won't have to move. :evilgrin:
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:26 PM
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14. Okay.
What paper in Minnesota can we write the fuck bush letters to?
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:30 PM
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18. The Star Tribune.
They endorsed Kerry.

Website: http://www.startribune.com/
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VassarGrad Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:23 PM
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12. Join me in MA...then we'll secede!
Is there any place better to live? With the one exception of our wackjob soon to be jobless governor.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:27 PM
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15. Love to.
Really. Probably when shrub outsources my Social Security job, I'll be on the move. Let's hear it for Massachusetts!!!
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:25 PM
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By the way, when is his term up? n/t
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bloodyjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:35 PM
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22. fine by me
having been born there and all.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:36 PM
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23. All of us DUers
were born there in our hearts.....metaphorically at least.
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Cadence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:00 PM
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34. Come to Colorado
We can use you here.....
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:09 PM
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35. Been to Colorado for visits.
Beautiful state. The handsomest man I ever saw---gorgeous blue eyes--was around a bend in Estes Park selling baskets by the side of the road. Those blue eyes almost sent me packing to Colorado--but then I grew older. sigh.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:18 PM
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37. MA rocks
Especially Boston :)
Come on people! Move here! I need more DUers close by!
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:20 PM
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39. Love to accommodate you WindRavenX....
caught that Bosox fever. Of course, I'm a Cub fan and desperately in need of a winner. Bet you never thought anyone would ever say that to you, huh? LOL.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:22 PM
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40. LOL
F the Sox.
GO YANKEES!!! :bounce:
Yes, I have worn my Yankees jersey in downtown Boston by Fenway...interesting times. Good thing I can run like the wind :o
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:24 PM
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41. Wow!
I know what you mean. One time I wore a Red Sox cap to a Cubs game--talk about ugly! Then Johnny Bench retired and Pete Rose broke my heart. Go Cubs!
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:25 PM
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42. I like the Cubs....
...they're my adopted loser team ;)
Hey, at least you'll have da bears
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:36 PM
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45. Yeah. The Bulls too
But there's nothing like a loser team to get your blood up--and the Cubs are now THE loser team in baseball. Go Cubs!
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LightTheMatch Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:30 PM
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43. We need to move west!
There actually are some states that are great to live in that we could flip rather easily - let's just have all of us from dark red states move to Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, and Nevada!

That's really a feasible plan... I'll do it.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:35 PM
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44. Okay
Colorado would be great (see prior post); Taos NM would be good; Arizona NO; Nevada NO because I love to gamble too much--Reno and Las Vegas are places I need to stay away from. Arizona is too urban sprawl. When do we go?
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LightTheMatch Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:37 PM
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47. Tucson is great -
I lived in Tucson for a while, it's a terrific city. So is Bisbee and southern Arizona in general.

Definitely Santa Fe, Taos, or just anywhere to the NE of Albuquerque would be good. New Mexico is one state we could flip in a hurry.
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FeelinGarfunkelly Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:37 PM
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46. I was going to say spread out, but if you think about it...
If all of us get together in a couple of states like Mass., Conn., NY, or whatever.. the population swing can deliver more electoral votes, right? We'd need to do it close to the next census to make sure that we all get counted in our liberal utopia.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:43 PM
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48. Let's start a "mass exodus" bank account.
Eh?
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:44 PM
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49. I thought so too, but JVS straightened me out above.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:59 PM
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53. NH would be good too, especially to counter the Libertarian
movement - NH was the state they chose and I'd hate to see it move back towards the red.

But you're all more than welcome in MA.:D
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:49 PM
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50. If it gets too crowded, a few of you might like Connecticut!
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 03:49 PM by SarahBelle
:hi:
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:52 PM
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51. Yep. CT is good.
What newspaper can we write our fuck bush letters to?
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:07 PM
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56. Ummm...
When I was growing up there you could have said the Courant, but they endorsed the moron TWICE.

Come to Mass. You can help us eject Mitt.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:09 PM
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57. Okay
Mitt's history.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:59 PM
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54. I'm going to move there
have a gay marriage and then get an abortion
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:06 PM
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55. Don't forget to write your
fuck bush LTTE.
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barackmyworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:12 PM
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58. you can move into my dorm room
I can accomodate maybe 3-4 people :)
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:14 PM
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59. Awwwww.....
Thanks barackmyworld. :)
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:39 PM
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62. or my basement
It even has a bed!
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:42 PM
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63. You Massachusetts DUers
Have hearts of pure gold....Hug Hug!
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