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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:00 AM
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The silver lining in a 2nd * term, or how I learned to love the bomb
Stay with me here, it does tend to be a bit twisted, but I have realized, over the past few days, that there is a morbid upside to having * for another term.

This baby's his. The war, the economy, everything. I'm not saying he's going to do anything about the huge problems he created and if I think too far down the road (a Dem winning in 2008) that gets even more depressing, but alllllll these chickens of his are coming home to roost and will continue to do so for the next four years.

No evil can last. My greatest hope is to win more seats in 2006 and take the bastard down HARD. Of course, he's already been given enough rope to hang himself with several hundred times over, so it won't be hard, if Dems are assertive about it.

I do feel bad for those of us (all of us) who tried to create change and for what WE will suffer, especially the troops in Iraq.

But I can't say I won't enjoy watching * squirm and sweat his way through the next year or so. I honestly believe he never wanted this job.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:02 AM
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1. I must say that I echo your sentiments.
n/t
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loathesomeshrub Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:06 AM
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2. If this nightmare is really happening, then yes you are right n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:11 AM
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3. I think American voters are like alcoholics.
They have to hit rock bottom before they realize they have a problem. Voting for Bush and "winning" this election, for a Republican, is like drinking a couple fifths of Wild Turkey. You party hearty and feel great for awhile, but eventually you wake up in a gutter covered with puke and your pants and wallet are missing and you feel like thundering crap. All those ignorant snake-handling fundies and the yuppie greedheads who voted for Bush will find themselves in an analogous state: broke, unemployed, maybe drafted. Maybe then they'll realize they have a "problem."

As for me, I'm gonna sit back and watch the train wreck.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:07 AM
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10. I disagree (about the rock bottom thing)
A very good friend of mine and I were talking about the whole "rock-bottom" thing and I was making the same point - that sometimes people just have to hit the bottom before they realize what's going on. He disagreed, and for good reasons. He comes from an alcoholic family and is one himself, but he recently (a year+ ago) quit drinking.

He said, "the only time you hit bottom is when you stop digging." His whole point was that there is no "bottom", that it is all an artificial limit. Realizing the problem and beginning to do something is the ONLY thing that will turn it around, there is no magical point where something else will intervene (some natural law) and cause people to wake up.

I agreed with him. I think the things you mention (broke, unemployed, maybe drafted) will make it easier to wake people up, but IMHO people will go on believing a lie long after the truth has been waved before their eyes.


I think we're in for a long, cold winter.




Disclaimer: Poster has been drinking. Please take that under consideration regarding spelling and demeanor
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:14 AM
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4. Hate to say it

I so hope you are right. But I fear there isn't anyone left to hold
*'s toes to the fires of his own creation. And the damage he will
do in the next 4 years is worse than any self satisfaction we might
feel with the "we told you so"s.

As for a Dem winning in '08... only if we can get some sort
of voting system which is easy to use AND which cannot be hacked
AND which can be recounted by hand. Or we decide to hack the vote
ourselves next time (and be the last ones with our hands in the
cookie jars)
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:14 AM
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5. And I hate to say it
but I agree with everything you said.

Sigh.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:35 AM
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6. Look up what 8 years did to Clinton, from 1992 to 2000
My local paper ran an article at the end of Clinton's term in 2000 showing two pictures, one before and one after, suggesting that the Presidency is hazardous to one's health. Bush will look as bad, or worse than Clinton did at the end of his 8 years, in 2008.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:41 AM
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7. Oh he already looks like MAJOR shit
and he'll just go totally downhill from there.

He's aged ten years in four. Can't wait to see him in 2008, if he's still in office!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:46 AM
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8. but he already looks like stir fried shit
could he look worse? Seriously?
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 12:47 AM
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9. Oh my I am smiling just imagining him
looking worse than he does now!

VERY BIG GRIN!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:08 AM
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11. We're "all in" now.
I had hopes that we could have avoided the meltdown with Kerry's election (which, may still be a possibility; hope springs eternal)....but now, I think it's too late. Long term, we will win; but the country will have to really fall for this to happen. The "mandate" for Bush isn't real, but he will govern like it is. True, about 50% of the electorate voted for him, but of that group, probably 50% is "hard core". The rest are moderates who are not sophisticated enough to understand the danger of today's Republicanism...or have, with the help of the media, been conditioned to fear reality and have decided to suspend their critical thinking to cast their lot with a "war president".

But this block is not solid and will, either sooner or later, have to confront the bitter reality and acknowledge the damage that this administration is doing and has done to this country. Sadly, I think the checks and balances that have served this country so well in the past 200 years have been eroded to the point where they are now inoperative. There is no longer reasoned pro/con....just pro. There is no need to consult Ying, Yang's got it all figured out.
And these Republicans who are now corrupted absolutely, have the perfect leader that embodies the very essence of their hubris and incomptence.

Think about it. As long as I can remember, the Republican's have always been more about symbols than substance. They talk about the flag, family values, and their patriotism; but it's all talk, no walk. They really don't do the nuts and bolts of policy very well. They have made their symbolic Contract on America, but there is no possible way that they can deliver a better America for all. In the end there this was no vision for a better America, it was the lies needed to gain the power to control the rules for their own end. And in the process of legislating to a narrowing minority, America will continue to crumble from the loss of jobs, a lowering of the standard of living, and a miasma of spirit. The Amercan dream has been replaced by "Evening in America". They have emptied the Treasury and ruined our international reputation. Even our vaunted $400BB/year military cannot defeat a small, but determined ME country with 3rd world military capabilities.

Sooner or later, the system is going to have a breakdown. I think it is inevitable. But at that point, the pendulum will swing in a rather violent reaction against these people. It is the natural
progression of things.

A Kerry election might have just prolonged the pain with no real longterm gain for the country. The events now seem to be playing out to allow the criminals to take their mandate, string it up on a tree branch, and put their necks in it. Maybe that is ultimately the only pragmatic solution to rid ourselves of this political abomination....a complete repudiation of all things Republican, so we can begin to return to a more progressive and just society.








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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:40 AM
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12. The Republicans will destroy themselves
Don't get me wrong. It definitely is painful to watch the country crumble back down to its very foundation while Bush and the charlatans and criminals surrounding him help themselves to the treasury and whatever else they can grab onto amidst the chaos. But when the fall comes, the blame will undeniably rest upon Republican shoulders, as even their most ardent supporters among the common folk will finally no longer be able to ignore the reality they have created.

As the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for. The Right Wing extremists have never wielded more power in this country than they possess at this time. They now have the opportunity to rule that they have so desperately sought for so long. But "success" for them will come at very high price for us all.

May the world never forget the evil of these men, and never again allow them to arise to power.
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