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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:39 PM
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So I was sitting here reading DU the other day...
And I got a horrible pain in my back. I just could not sit still. I start thinking, "oh god, not another kidney stone". However, I had a single kidney stone 7 years ago and haven't had one since. I gave up pop (soda for some of you) like I was told and rarely eat dairy.

So I call my husband because I couldn't drive to the ER, too much pain. Guess what? I'm having sextuplets! Yep, 6 kidney stones. Some in each kidney. Only, like the one I had long ago, I won't be able to pass a couple of them because they are too big. I get to live in pain for 2-3 weeks until my appointment.

Anyone else have experience with kidney stones and what did you have to give up eating/drinking? I don't drink caffeine except maybe once a week or once every 2 weeks because of this and now I have many! Help!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:40 PM
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1. There is a simple way to prevent them.... n/t
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:41 PM
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3. remove my kidneys? what?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:44 PM
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4. Absolutely not.... n/t
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:44 PM
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5. now you have my attention... spit it out!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:46 PM
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9. Give me a few minutes... amma workin on it.... I hope you aren't taking
too many medications.... or I hope you don't "need" a lot of medications.... they can play a part....
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:49 PM
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11. ooooooh, I thought you were being mysterious
actually, I just got put on a whole bunch of meds a couple months ago... :( ew, I hope they aren't the problem. :cry:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:58 PM
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19. Drug Induced Nutrient Depletion
This is from Doctor Ben Balzer... see ----> DOCTOR the importance of this will be revealed shortly....

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1930598459/qid=1100389719/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-2287745-7132735?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Reviewer: Dr Ben Balzer (Beverly Hills, New South Wales Australia) - See all my reviews
This book has truly vastly surpassed my expectations. It has several indexes- one comprehensive index, one for drugs, one for nutrients and the drugs that affect them, monographs on all the nutrients, and then the piece de resistance, the abstracts of the medical literature to back it all up.

Written by a team of pharmacists, it is very even handed and lists the negative literature as well as the positive. Thus one can ascertain which nutrients are affected by which drugs, and vice versa and quickly review some of the medical literature to make up one's own mind. I've found it helpful.

Some good examples are that omeprazole reduces B12 absorption around 70%, that simvastatin reduces Q10 production significantly, HRT reduces B vitamins, anticonvulsants reduce vit D folate and calcium.

Unfortunately it doesn't deal with anesthetic gases- N2O depletes B12 and halothane causes oxidative stress on the liver.

I still have more to learn about this book, but it is one of my best purchases.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:06 PM
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22. Pollutants
You can SAFELY enhance the functioning of your liver... which translates into only one thing.... a good thing. Make sure you scroll through the entire article.

http://search.lef.org/src-cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=61&EXTRA_ARG=&CFGNAME=MssFind%2Ecfg&host_id=42&page_id=3081728&query=kidney+stones&hiword=kidney+stones+


>>Entering the twenty-first century, one of our greatest health threats is pollutants. Uncounted toxic chemicals pollute what we eat, drink, and breathe. The battle against toxins is largely waged in the liver. Despite being the largest glandular organ, the liver still bears a disproportionate burden in ridding the body of toxins. Those pollutants that cannot be processed and disposed of are stored in fatty tissues, first in the liver and then in other parts of the body. Over time, this can cause long-term harm to the liver.<<

>>N-acetylcysteine has demonstrated benefits for people with pre-existing kidney damage who are undergoing coronary angiogram tests and are at risk for further kidney damage from the injected dye used to visualize the coronary arteries. Oral administration of N-acetylcysteine reduced by 86% the incidence of kidney damage in people undergoing this procedure.11 Formation and recurrence of kidney stones may also be circumvented by N-acetylcysteine supplementation.12<<
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:45 PM
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6. and the way to prevent them is...?
do I have to pay for this advice or something?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:07 PM
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23. Just keep reading... I am not posting in any particular order... keep
checking the thread....
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:41 PM
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2. I know em well :( I'm currently on my 11th.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:46 PM
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8. ew, eleven!
maybe we should have a contest! I've had 7 so far (one years ago, 6 now). I'll try to catch up!
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:51 PM
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13. BRING. IT. ON.!
I've had 3 at once before (you put me to shame there :P) but two lasted for over a month, and one for 3.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:53 PM
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15. well, let me get rid of these first
then I'll try to catch up!

LOL
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:46 PM
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7. Here's some good info on Kidney stones. Hope it helps
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:51 PM
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14. thanks graywarrior!
I like the foods they tell you to eat... watermelon is my favorite thing!

Woah... I just read scarlet fever can damage the kidneys. I had that loooong time ago so don't know if it mattered or not.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:57 PM
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18. Probably did damage the kidneys
Everything we do contributes somehow, and tho it can't be reversed, you can still strengthen your constitution.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:47 PM
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10. I am here to tell ya
Kidney stones have got to be the worst pain I have ever experienced. The only good thing about it was getting wasted each day on pain killers.

I avoid food high in calcium oxylate.

6 of em huh. Dang. They gonna try to bust the big ones up?
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:50 PM
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12. yeah, the painkillers are nice
I tried playing monopoly last night with my husband while on percocet. I didn't have a clue what I was doing. Yep, gotta bust 'em up.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:53 PM
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16. I'm mostly stuck on codeine, but I have adventured with oxycontin as well.
oxycontin is an unbelievable drug... it makes you feel great and dulls the pain.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:22 PM
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26. I recommend Vicodin
Doesn't mess with your stomach and mind as much as percocet.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:55 PM
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17. Check out Dr Andrew Weil's site
he has a lot of great alternative preventive and curative ideas - expert in the field of medicine.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:00 PM
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20. thanks!
I just googled him and found a few websites of his. I recognize his face but never knew his name.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:45 PM
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27. Good - his site's worth the time to explore, I think
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:05 PM
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21. Thanks everyone!
I have to go now -- my husband has class online and needs the computer -- but I will check back later for any further advice.

:)
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:13 PM
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24. Alternative Medicine dot com
See links at bottom of page.... if some of your medications deplete you of magnesium.... they could contribute to the formation of stones because of this depletion. Being a female I am sure you take some sort of calcium/magnesium supplement daily... NOT CALCIUM CARBONATE, but rather calcium citrate, gluconate, or an amino acid chelate.

http://www.alternativemedicine.com/AMHome.asp?cn=Catalog&act=SearchAttribute&crt=Name1=HCArticleList%26Value1=Kidney%20stones%26Op1=EQ%26StartPage=1%26PageSize=901&Style=\AMXSL\HCDetail.xsl

>>Consider: Stones are more common during the summer. This may be due to concentrated urine secondary to increased sweating and insufficient fluids to make up for this. Mild chronic dehydration may play a role in the development of stones. High levels of dietary refined carbohydrates may also encourage stone formation as the sugar stimulates the pancreatic release of insulin. This stimulates, in turn, increased calcium excretion through the urine. Other factors that also cause increased calcium excretion in the urine (hypercalciuria) and may promote stone formation are increased dietary levels of coffee, colas, acid-forming diets, such as high protein and grains with insufficient alkalinizing vegetables and fruits, insufficient fluids such as water, excessive salt consumption, stress, and insufficient amounts of magnesium which helps keep calcium in solution.

Diet alone cannot get rid of the stones. You must see a doctor.<<



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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:20 PM
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25. I just had a two-day attack
There are several kinds (I an urge you to NOT look them up on the Internet; there are a couple of rare kinds you just do not want to know about). I had a single massive stone in each kidney and have had 8 lithotripsies, two of them double procedures, which only whittled them down to the size of half a pea, and they slowly chip away now.

I had to give up green leafy vegetables, peanuts, coffee, and all dairy. And keep salt to an absolute minimum. It ain't bad, but it ain't good either. I miss spinach and I have to keep restaurant visits to a minimum, because they load everything with salt. Diet Pepsi is OK, though. I has almost no sodium.

I imagine you have calcium stones, since they came back so fast. Mine were oxylate (spelling?), which take a lot longer to form but are much harder to blast. Good luck, I feel for ya.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:11 PM
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28. I imagine you have calcium stones
What better source than the National Institutes of Health?? Prevention of uric acid stones as well as calcium stones is discussed here... proven methods for prevention are invaluable in many peoples' cases.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15493118
1: Ther Umsch. 2004 Sep;61(9):571-4. Related Articles, Links





Ferrari P, Bonny O.

Department of Nephrology, Fremantle Hospital, University of Western Australia, Perth, Australia. paolo.ferrari@health.wa.gov.au

Uric acid stones occur in 10% of all kidney stones and are the second most-common cause of urinary stones after calcium oxalate and calcium phosphate calculi. The most important risk factor for uric acid crystallization and stone formation is a low urine pH (below 5.5) rather than an increased urinary uric acid excretion. Main causes of low urine pH are tubular disorders (including gout), chronic diarrhea or severe dehydration. Uric acid stone disease can be prevented and these are one of the few urinary tract stones that can be dissolved successfully. The treatment of uric acid stones consists not only of hydration (urine volume above 2000 ml daily), but mainly of urine alkalinization to pH values between 6.2 and 6.8. Urinary alkalization with potassium citrate or sodium bicarbonate is a highly effective treatment, resulting in dissolution of existing stones. Urinary uric acid excretion can be reduced by a low-purine diet. Potassium citrate is the treatment of choice for the prevention of recurrence of uric acid calculi. Allopurinol reduces the frequency of stone formation in hyperuricosuric patients with recurrent uric acid stones and/or gout.

PMID: 15493118


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15499216
Role of nutrition in the formation of calcium-containing kidney stones.

Taylor EN, Curhan GC.

Renal Division, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA 02115, USA.

Diet plays an important role in the pathogenesis of calcium-containing kidney stones. Although much work has demonstrated that specific dietary components alter urinary composition and supersaturation, relatively few studies link the ingestion of these components with actual nephrolithiasis. This article reviews the dietary factors thought to promote or inhibit the formation of calcium stones and discusses the current controversies in the field of nutrition and nephrolithiasis. Special attention is paid to the roles of dietary calcium, supplemental calcium, oxalate, phytate, and n-3 fatty acids. We offer dietary recommendations to individuals who have suffered from a calcium-containing kidney stone, and emphasize that a patient's 24-hour urine chemistries should be used to help guide dietary intervention. Copyright (c) 2004 S. Karger AG, Basel.

PMID: 15499216
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