What Should Be The Punishment For Ron Artest?

I haven't formed an opinion yet.... I am a huge Shaq Daddy fan therefore anything that weakens the Pacers makes me happy....


Also, I don't like the Pistons for beating my Shaq and the Lakers in the championship series...

He didn't have to go in the stands after a spectator threw a bottle at him.

Wallace shoved him HARD, to begin with, and he was man enough to walk away, lay down, try to calm down.

Then that fan fucks with him in the state that he's in. I'm sorry, but that would be enough to set me off. I don't blame him at all for kicking that guy's ass. THEN motherfuckers come and try to start a fight with him on the FLOOR.

They sure did get what they deserved.

Just fuck those people. Stupid-ass fucking mob mentality.

and he kicked the WRONG guy's ass?

But, again, the guy was pointing and yelling at him. And I've yet to see who the person actually was.

Where did you see this?

They had a long shot of the whole crowd behind Artest
when he was lying on the table. I watched it numerous
times until I could see the guy who threw the beer. When
Artest ran into the stands, the guy who actually threw
the beer (white cap, blue shirt with "Wallace" on back)
remained still with his hands in his pockets as Artest
rushed by him right toward the dork in the dark shirt
who was jumping around and who caught Artest's attention.
Artest grabbed the wrong guy.

Eventually, he got a couple knocks on the right guy, who was the older man in the hat that took two swings at Artest before Artest could try to land a punch on him.

Having a tough night and a non-call go against him isn't an excuse to be a dickhead.

The fans and Wallace are also dickheads and are responsible for their own actions as well.

He doesn't deserve more than a 3 game suspension, but they'll wnat to make an example of him, and give him a big fine to go with it.

after she provoked me.

Do I simply get 10 days off with pay? Or do I get fired?

Especially if you just been through being assaulted once before.

don't have the right to respond to a provocation. Ron Artest was in no danger after he was hit with the cup.

He simply responded in kind.

you could presumably find another job with another company...


Artest wouldn't be fired.... He would be prohibited from playing professional basketball....

nm

If the Pacers want to fire him and he's free to play for another basketball team than I would support that just as I would support your firing in the hypothetical case you presented me presuming you can find work with another comapny...

after which he can be run out of town on a rail.

Let's bring back public humiliation as punishment.

Artest 10
Wallace 3

Wallace attacked Artest and Artest attacked the fan - because they were publicly embarrassed by a smaller person - not because of self defense or injury - the only injury was to their egos.

As for Shaq - he's a, zero skilled, no-talent mutant. If the refs called the game correctly - he would foul out every night.

Shaq made the list of the century's fifty greatest atheletes and he's universally acknowledged by basketball analysts as one of the three best centers of all time-

Shaq Daddy

Wilt Chamberalin

Bill Russell


When you're talking Shaq you're talking basketball....

...and the skill level needed for accomplishment within the rules - then take a look at Shaq and tell me what you see.

Shaq was chosen to be the pr poster boy for the NBA to fill the vacuum left by Jordan - which meant that Shaq was untouchable and can get away with murder.

"...universally acknowledged by basketball analysts..."

Analysts?? - why don't you examine the facts and form your own opinion?

You might have heard - according to some "analysts" - the election was fair and square.

res ipsa loquitur

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shaquille_oneal/?nav=page

maybe you need to watch NECKCAR racing


In the meantime chew on this.....

Selected in 1996 as one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History
Three-time NBA Finals MVP after leading the Lakers to back-to-back-to-back NBA Finals victories (2000, 2001, 2002)
Voted the 1999-2000 Most Valuable Player (regular season) by media
Four-time All-NBA First Team selection (1997-98, 1999-2000, 2000-01, 2001-02), two-time All-NBA Second Team selection (1994-95, 1998-99) and three-time All-NBA Third Team selection (1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97)
Two-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection (1999-2000, 2000-01)
Nine-time All-Star selection (1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002)
Co-MVP of the 2000 NBA All-Star Game after tallying 22 points and nine rebounds
Two-time regular season scoring champion after posting 29.3 ppg (1994-95) and 29.7 ppg (1999-2000)
Led the league in field-goal percentage five times (1993-94, 1997-98, 1998-99, 1999-2000, 2000-01)
Won the 1999-2000 IBM Award, determined by a computerized rating that measures a player's overall contribution to a team
Named 1992-93 NBA Rookie of the Year, and to the NBA All-Rookie First Team, after averaging 23.4 ppg, 13.9 rpg and 3.53 bpg
Member of gold-medal winning U.S. Olympic team in Atlanta (1996) and World Championship team in Toronto (1994)

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can pass the ball just about as well as anyone in the game right now, and is incredibly quick and agile for his size.

And if the refs called the game correctly, Shaq would be at the foul line for 38 minutes.

hater.

Knocking down anybody who gets in your way is admirable in the NFL - but it's not basketball.

nt

you've already formed your opinion, and your entitled to it. How many games a year have you seen him play? The obligatory bimonthly Laker game on national TV? As a Laker fan, I was able to watch Shaquille quite a bit, and there is a lot more to his game than you are willing to give him credit for. There are a lot of former players, Hall of Famers, who tout Shaq as being one of the best.

If all it took to succeed in the league was to be big and strong, there would be more big guys like Shaq playing.

nt

That such a "dominant" player has never led the league in rebounding?

heat/bucks here in milwaukee...friend's mom's company tickets

there is nothing like being 10 feet away from a guy to judge his basketball skills

and shaq definitely has them. his passing just gets better and better and the dude just knows the game, and knows it well. he definitely deserved to be on that top 50 list.

He's doing really well with the heat...


I'dlike to see him make more foul shots but i have been liking him to make more foul shots since he cane into the league...


I think the Heat has a decent chance of winning the Heat but I don't know how they match up against elite West Coast teams...

the league.

Some folks would say a Yao, a Kobe, a Tim Duncan, a Kevin Garnette, a Le Bron James are more valuable than Shaq...


But I would take a young Shaq over any of those...

He turned the Magic from a losing franchise into a winning one the first time he laced up his sneakers....

:evilgrin:

After all, as with dogs, male humans who get them lopped off are more relaxed, calmer, more playful...

You remind me of the guy in Humanities 101 who crumpled up his paper on the first day of class, declared he didn't like the arts, and then stormed out of the room...

Why did he bother to sign up for the course in the first place...

-:)

Brian

Or "Who Asked Ya, Bub?" Why not just have the balls to say it outright instead of prissing around the subject?

What *was* I thinking... expressing an opinion on a DISCUSSION board... that differed from the available options on a DISCUSSION board poll. The NERVE of me!! How DARE I?

A word of advice... better save your wisecracks, idiotic insults, and personal attacks for someone else, BRIAN. Ya never know when something like that might come back to bite you in the ass.

-- Allen

If you didn't think the topic was of value why not ignore it...


If I posted a snarky comment on every thread I thought was of no value or interest I'd have been run from this board a zillion times...


And I hardly think I was making "wisecracks", "idiotic insults", and "personal attacks"...

It seems most folks are enjoying the thread...


Peace

Brian

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It was not a value judgment on your post itself. Your poll did not provide the answer I would have given, so I provided it myself.

Come on now... you're a pretty smart fellow. You've seen this happen before.

"A little touchy?" --- NO. This is my standard response to snotty replies telling me to sit down and shut up.

>> If I posted a snarky comment on every thread I thought was of no value or interest I'd have been run from this board a zillion times... <<

Clearly this is an emotional issue for you, Brian. But, sometimes people have opinions that are different than yours. Cope.

Check the rules, Brian. The last time I checked, sarcasm and offering a different opininions are not prohibited.

>> And I hardly think I was making "wisecracks", "idiotic insults", and "personal attacks"...<<

Bullshit. Yes you were, Brian. You made a direct comparison between me and the idiot in your analogy. The "who-me?" act is not convincing.

>> It seems most folks are enjoying the thread... <<

That's nice. Does the enjoyment of others give you a free pass to make personal attacks on someone when you disagree with (or take issue with) something they have to say?

>> Peace <<

What an odd thing to say.

Having been the victim and perpetrator of personal attacks I know what one is...


You weren't interested in my little poll...


That's cool


I was just curious why you had to let me know by posting that...

When I go to the mall I might visit a handful of store and pass the rest...

It never occurred to me to tell the proprietors of the stores that I didn't visit that I wasn't interested in their goods...

In any case it wasn't intended to make you upset... If I did I apologize...

You should watch the tape of the melee anyway... It's wild...

Peace

Brian

You're ignoring what I say and imagining that I say the things you want to hear.

I did see the tape. My interest in your poll was to voice my opinion. I do not care what his punishment is one way or the other. You didn't offer that as an option, so I expressed that opinion in the subject line.

This is not a shopping mall. It's a message board. Sometimes folks post opinions that you don't agree with. That's the whole idea. Wow! Go figure! Who knew, huh?

I didn't realize how protective you were of your threads, Brian. I've learned my lesson. I'll avoid posting anything in your threads that fall short of complete agreement with you, or that may fall outside the bounds of acceptable answers and opinions. Your "goods" will remain unspoiled.

"It never occurred to me to tell the proprietors of the stores that I didn't visit that I wasn't interested in their goods..."

!

The one and only correct answer.

He doesn't want the privilege, anyway -- haven't you heard about his thriving rap career?

:eyes:

Did you do that?

Changed my name before the "amnesty period", so I have to put it in my sig.

I was kind of worried that a mod had done it to you... which would be really mean.

It makes no sense to make Republicans pay for what they've done, but not make Ron Artest do the same.

So... Who ought to pay up? Both Republicans and Artest, or neither?

I'll pick both.

Artest didn't attack a sovereign nation on false pretenses....

Only one guy threw a bottle at him. He attacked several people who didn't throw anything at him.

He didn't know who the hell he was going after.

Kick him out of the league.

He attacked one guy who may have been the wrong guy who didn't throw the cup, from the clips I seen I did not see who threw the cup. But it can be difficult to make an accurate judgment when you don't expect cups thrown your way in the first place. What he should've done is called the refs over, review several camera angles and have the guy arrested. But... you know when someone is holding anger inside (especially after controlling himself After a push, Ben Wallace charging, having a towell thrown on him and having Ben Wallace charge after him some more as well as other Piston players and fans provoking him) they can easily be set off, that is essentially what happened. Now after watching several hundred replies at least, the second person he went after was the guy who punched him from behind while he was being held back by security. Not all were "innocent", the Piston fans started attacking Pacer players who had nothing to do with the Ron Artest situation. AH I'm staying away from Ron Artest threads for the rest of the day, I find it unbelievable he is getting all the bad press for this when he was not the main problem for this melee, he certainly was the center of attention though. Wtf was the fan thinking throwing a drink at ANYONE?

And it is Harry Carson's fault, too.

Oh wait. Shit, Man.

Only because he ran out onto the court long after the game has been called and squared up with a fan.

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and be suspended for the rest of the season, and the Pacers should be fined very heavily