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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:01 PM
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A 5 gallon bucket, two cups of salt, water and a dead bird
are now resting peacefully in my fridge for the next 20 hours.

A friendly reminder that it's still not too late to brine your turkey. You'll thank me tomorrow as the turkey melts in your mouth. Even the leftovers will be moist.

http://www.freep.com/fun/food/brine17_19991117.htm
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freedom_to_read Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:03 PM
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1. have to say I'm not a fan of brining
my brother (who will be roasting up the family bird tomorrow) always does it though. it's moist, i'll grant you, but there's always something saltyish tasting to my palette.

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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:04 PM
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2. She probably leaves it brining too long
For instance, 20 hours seems like an awfully long time to me. Most people recommend 12 hours or less.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:05 PM
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4. hey!!!!
i don't like your new name!!!!

bring back ARGUMENTUS!!!!!!!
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:10 PM
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9. I was never happy with that one
I chose it because I was argumentative that day, and PO'd at a couple of threads. That was four years ago, and I'm still here, and much less argumentative. Also, with a name like that, people always think you're some kind of disruptor. I'm not a disruptor, just an asshole. :)

Besides, Nevernose (a rough translation of the Beatles' "Tomorrow Never Knows") is what I use on most of email accounts. Thanks for noticing, though!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:07 PM
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22. I've seen recommendations ranging from 4 hours to 2 days.
I did 20 hours last year and it was perfect. I think anywhere from 10 to 24 hours is ideal.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:04 PM
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3. You ever watch, "Good Eats" on the food network?
they recommend that as well

:hi:
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:11 PM
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10. Due to that program
I tried brining twice, and I can't tell a difference between a brined turkey and my normal turkey. Same amount of moistness.
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Aiptasia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:05 PM
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5. Don't forget to...
Take the giblets out..
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:05 PM
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6. I've brined turkeys twice - it's excellent
The meat comes out extra juicy, which I don't really understand. Shouldn't the brine tend to suck moisture out of the bird?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:09 PM
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7. I love it specifically for the leftovers
Everybody knows that unbrined leftovers are bone dry and stringy. Brined leftovers stay tender for a week.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:09 PM
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8. The salt actually keeps the moisture in.
And it acts as a buffer in the case of overcooking. Wonderful invention, brining.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:30 PM
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16. "The chemistry behind brining is actually pretty simple."
"The brining of meats is an age-old process of food preservation. Heavy concentrations of salt could preserve meats for long ocean voyages and military campaigns before the advent of refrigeration. Now brining takes on a new purpose. By using smaller quantities of salt, mixed with other spices and herbs, brining can permeate meat with flavor.

The chemistry behind brining is actually pretty simple. Meat already contains salt water. By immersing meats into a liquid with a higher concentration of salt the brine is absorbed into the meat. Any flavoring added to the brine will be carried into the meat with the saltwater mixture.

And because the meat is now loaded with extra moisture it will stay that way longer while it cooks."

http://bbq.about.com/cs/barbecuetips/a/aa112000b.htm

I remember the "salt-water in the cells" thing vaguely from college chemistry -- it has a fancy name that starts with the letter "m" but I can't remeber it.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:45 PM
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19. Actually I think it's because the brine water is hypertonic...
It has a higher osmotic value than the turkey and therefore the turkey actually draws moisture from the water to equalize.

Or something to that effect.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:49 PM
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20. I admit it -- I got a D in that class
I took it twice, and the D was the best of the two grades. Scary thing is, I was happy to have gotten that D -- I worked my ass off for it.

I was fairly certain the the science prerequisite was in place primarily to fuck with the heads of English majors.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:06 PM
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23. Ah, I think I get it now
"...And because the meat is now loaded with extra moisture it will stay that way longer while it cooks."

The concentration of salt in the raw turkey is lower than that of the brine, and so is the concentration of water. So both salt and water tend to go into the bird by osmotic pressure. I'd always assumed putting something in brine would dry it out. Bad intuition.

When I was a kid I always wondered why my fingers got puffy after spending all day in the ocean. I think the same principle applies to brined turkeys and seawater-soaked hands.

Thanks for the insight!

:toast:
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utopian Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:14 PM
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11. I'm cooking my turkey in a smoker
I wonder if brining would work well on a smoked turkey?
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:17 PM
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12. I'm brining ours tonight too!
Haven't brined one in a few years but am giving it a go again!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:24 PM
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13. QUESTION: Can a bird go from oven to grill?
I am brining and also want to grill. Can it go from the oven to the grill for the last hour of cooking?
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:25 PM
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14. Pagan Holiday Rituals of the Left
Actually, we're plunging our unsuspecting naked tom into a vat of hot oil.

Deep-fried turkey is the bomb, mmm-mmmmmmmm
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:26 PM
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15. MMMMMMM
Turkey McNuggets :-)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:07 PM
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24. Yes it's supurb
Don't burn your house down!
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Mr. McD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:36 PM
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17. I smoked 2 turkeys on Saturday and am roasting 1 tomorrow
All brined. We will be eating turkey for awhile. :)
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fluffernutter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:42 PM
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18. thanks for the link,i'm going to try brining for the first time this year.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:53 PM
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21. A guy could have a pretty good time in Vegas with all that stuff...
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