I've got a thread in GDP that I'll keep kicking till it catches fire.

I'm sick of how often some stupid nonsense will catch fire while more sensible threads drop off the charts with little comment. I'm especially disgusted by by a lot of the "What did we do wrong?" threads,or the candidate verses candidate,"If only we had gone with them." threads. Any blaming of anything other than the power of the right wing media,with their republican infomercial running 24/7 is nonsense. In this thread I describe what our attitude must be.





What would Rush do?


What did he do on the days after Bill Clinton won twice? Well he certainly didn't self destruct,wondering if he,and his had somehow driven voters away. He was laughing. Of course it's all part of the shtick that he,and his are always positive,and the opposition is always negative,but he was laughing. He giggles more than most,as buzzed pill heads often do,but there is a serious point in this. The point is all of the fun that we can now have with exposing,and making fun of Bush,the republicans,and the movement that calls itself conservative. The election was so very close for running against a sitting war time President. The election was so close for having to run against their propaganda machine,with all it's insults,misrepresentations,and outright lies running 24/7 on all of their media outlets. We are better organized,networked,and unified than we were before. Our ability to get a message out through our media is much better than it was before. There is so much more material that we've gathered to use against them. They will give us so much more material to use. Now is not the time to lay down,and let them walk all over us as we try to find ways to appeal to them. That is what they want us to do,to just go away. Many who voted republican will be having buyer's regret. That regret can be built upon. At the moment we have no candidate to worry about needing to softening their message. Now is not the time to soften our message. Now is not the time to abandon our people who've been speaking out. Did the republicans abandon Rush,and the rest when they lost to Bill Clinton? Now is the time to make fun of the republicans,the conservatives,their media,and their mistakes without mercy. It is also time to make fun of the red states,so that those living in the uncool red states will want to identify more with the cool blue states. Does Rush ever hesitate to call stupid those living in the blue states? Does he ever hesitate to give those living in the blue states every negative personal characteristic? We've got to make their brand of conservatism so uncool in the public mind that no one will ever want to buy into it ever again. Of course remember to say that there are some good people living in those red states,who wish that their state was blue. That's what Rush would do.

:kick: from Kaneohe by the Kupuna...grandparent

I intend to create fire.

Dems tend to be too earnest in their attitude and dealings with the neocons, and altogether too linear in their reasoning and argumentation.

Last week, one of their trolls left me totally lost in admiration for him, even awe. The thread by our DUer was incisive and telling, and yet, without a leg to stand on, and potentially exposed to infinite ridicule, the troll posted a short and incredibly fatuous response further down the line, utterly ludicrous in its emptiness, yet curtly dismissive, while - and here is the genius - utterly patronisng, nay... fatherly in its tone.

I was enraged the other day when another troll tried the same thing on with less consummate skill, suggesting that a positive-thinking DUer was - no don't laugh - thinking with his heart! Why? Because he apparently ludicrously expected that ubiquitous and serious fraud, tried and proven, as it must surely be (whatever the time-scale), could never be too outrageous to be acceptable under the canons of the American judiciary and body politic.

There is a perception among Dems that they are sophisticated in relation to the neos, but there are very many who are actually extremely naive and innocent in their dealings with them. It is their trolls who tend to be cynical, urbane sophisticates. They know they are evil and their designs, likewise, and are quite untroubled by the considerations of truth that prompt so many DUers to reason with them earnestly, often not even recognising them as trolls. They also know that these innocent DUers don't really see through them, and seem relentlessly determined to given them the benefit of the doubt. They can afford to see the funny side of it all, because they never feel threatened by these innocent linear thinkers, who think that all this is about Truth, to the neo as well, when it is clearly not. Consequently, said neo trolls can always bushwack them with patronising good humour. So it is of paramount importance to be especially wary of negative posts and their posters.

There are so many of their threads on here that should be immediately ignored. After fellow-trolls respond with a few posts and then a few DUers follow suit, it's too late, and the more politically aware DUers have to step in and limit the damage as best they can.

They strive to block out all feedback from reality,and to stick to their programing. It's the only way that in their minds they can always be right,and never make a mistake. It's the only way that in their minds you will always be wrong,and that everything you might do is a mistake.

a problem with them. Not even a consideration. It's total war. Nothing less.

But it is in fact a great weakness because by getting no feedback they are removed from reality. The more oblivious they are to the consequences of their actions,the greater those consequences will be.

And your post reminded me of part of it...

"What Schwarzenegger understood was that the recall election was a huge, state-wide reality show where the voters were being given the chance to vote the unlikable Gray Davis off the show. Taco Bell understood this too, and they playfully allowed Californians to “vote” for Schwarzenegger or Davis by choosing different menu items – Crunchy Beef Taco for Schwarzenegger and Soft Chicken Taco for Davis. It was all about mean-spirited fun, not about issues or politics or the future of California. Schwarzenegger understood that. Nobody else did. Davis, Bustamante, Huffington, McClintock and Camejo all wanted to talk about issues. They just didn’t get it."

(found on this site)

We need new leadership that understands the importance of keeping the *ahem* less issue-oriented people's favorable attention.

And this DUer, living in a red state, already wants to live in a cool blue state. So "mission accomplished" there!

:kick:

What would Rush do?


What did he do on the days after Bill Clinton won twice? Well he
certainly didn't self destruct,wondering if he,and his had somehow
driven voters away. He was laughing. Of course it's all part of the
shtick that he,and his are always positive,and the opposition is
always negative,but he was laughing. He giggles more than most,as
buzzed pill heads often do,but there is a serious point in this. The
point is all of the fun that we can now have with exposing,and making
fun of Bush,the republicans,and the movement that calls itself
conservative. The election was so very close for running against a
sitting war time President. The election was so close for having to
run against their propaganda machine,with all it's
insults,misrepresentations,and outright lies running 24/7 on all of
their media outlets. We are better organized,networked,and unified
than we were before. Our ability to get a message out through our
media is much better than it was before. There is so much more
material that we've gathered to use against them. They will give us
so much more material to use. Now is not the time to lay down,and let
them walk all over us as we try to find ways to appeal to them. That
is what they want us to do. Many who voted republican will be having
buyer's regret. That regret can be built upon. At the moment we have
no candidate to worry about needing to softening their message. Now
is not the time to soften our message. Now is not the time to abandon
our people who've been speaking out. Did the republicans abandon
Rush,and the rest when they lost to Bill Clinton? Now is the time to
make fun of the republicans,the conservatives,their media,and their
mistakes without mercy. It is also time to make fun of the red
states,and those who voted red. Does Rush ever hesitate to call those living in the blue states stupid? Does he ever hesitate to give
those living in the blue states every negative personal
characteristic? We've got to make their brand of conservatism so
uncool in the public mind that no one will want to buy into it ever
again. Of course remember to say that there are some good blue voting
people living in those red states,who wish that their state was a
cool blue state. That's what Rush would do.

turn Bush into a joke---turn the GOP into a joke----we need to lighten up and learn how to play the game.
We still got at least 57.5 million votes, people (add about 2 million for vote spoilage in inner cities, vote fraud, etc.). That is more than Ronald Reagan, more than Al Gore more than just about anyone

we need to change that image---having Jon Stewart, Al Franken helps us with the hunmor side and having tough military men like General Clark, and others on our side makes us look not so weak.

that must be countered. They are empty charges. Such charges are just as easily made against them.