Who else wishes these were legal in this country (USA)?

Or, at least allowed in certain public places (restaurants, theaters, etc) ?


http://www.globalgadgetuk.com/Personal.htm

"This cell phone jammer looks just like a cell phone and is ideal for use when commuting on the bus and train or when eating in restaurants etc, anywhere where you need effective control at close quarters!

Make sure you have this phone jammer with you whenever you are out and about as you never know when you are going to need to use it. With this cell phone jammer switched on in your pocket you will be able to silence those anti-social types who insist on using their mobile phones in the most indiscrete way, the beauty is that they will not know it is you that has switched them off!, all they will see is that their signal has dropped on their phone. When you have had your meal or enjoyed your coffee in peace and quiet, you can then switch off your phone jammer and continue on your way completely stress free.

The SH066 mobile phone jammer comes complete with battery charger and carry case".


http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/10/19/cellphonejammers.ap/

"Don't try using a cell phone here
Technology has found ways of squelching signals

Tuesday, October 19, 2004 Posted: 10:08 AM EDT (1408 GMT)

MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) -- It was the reporters who noticed first. Unable to call their editors while covering the weddings of the rich and famous, they asked the priest why their cell phones never worked at Sacred Heart. His reply: Israeli counterintelligence.

In four Monterrey churches, Israeli-made cell phone jammers the size of paperbacks have been tucked unobtrusively among paintings of the Madonna and statues of the saints.

The jarring polychromatic din of ringing cell phones is increasingly being thwarted -- from religious sanctuaries to India's parliament to Tokyo theaters and commuter trains -- by devices originally developed to help security forces avert eavesdropping and thwart phone-triggered bombings.

The Indian parliament had jammers installed after politicians ignored requests to turn off their cell phones and legislative sessions were constantly interrupted.

In Italy, universities started using the blockers after discovering that cell phone-savvy teenagers were cheating on exams by sending text messages or taking pictures of tests.

The four Roman Catholic Churches in this northern city began using the devices, from Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies Ltd., after an insurance salesman imported them as a personal favor for a priest".

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I *_hate_* cell phones. If only these jammers were installed!

For the asshole in front of me in line who can't be bothered to SHUT THE FUCK UP while the cashier is trying to help him.

Or the woman at the grocery store who is blocking the entire aisle while she carries on about this or that thing.

And have you noticed, it's never anything important they are talking about?

I HATE being in a restaurant or a store and have someone two feet away yapping on a cell. Especially people that walk around with hands free setup. Drives me insane! :)

I keep my phone on vibrate, If something happened to my child at home and the babysitter could not contact me you had one of those things on - for whatever reason, I would find you.

If my child died because I had no idea medics were about to administer penicilin to my child who is allergic to it, I would murder you without compunction.

I'm not saying it's likely - but you never know if someone NEEDs that call.

When a doctor is on call - that device could be deadly.

This notion that we wouldn't be able to exist without cell phones is hardly rational either.

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You are suggesting that we should no longer trust our means of communication?

We have based our lifestyles on these devices, we have learned to trust them. By employing one of these jammers you are subverting my use of my own personal property.

I'm no a medical Doctor, but they've used pagers for more than a decade now when they are on call.

If you go to the Hospital and no one can reach the specialist who can save you because some overly-sensitive diner has one of these things, how would that make you feel?

We have something at our disposal that IMPROVES the ability of medical professionals to operate - technology is one of the reasons mortality rates decline - INCLUDING communications technologies.

Be realistic - people trust their phones, you would betray that trust because you don't want to be 'annoyed' once in a while?

Like I said - I use vibrate and don't hold phone conversations at dinner - I just use dirty looks when others are not so courteous.

Who are you imagining you're speaking FOR??? Are you a teenager?
I'm in my 50's and despise the habits young cell-phone users have gotten into. It intrudes obnoxiously in my life every day.

without their knowledge and despite the fact that they may be a responsible user of said technology?

That's ok to do that to someone?

The whole thread is devoted to dealing with "irresponsible users". The ones that cause other people problems.

And yes, I think it's OK to peaceably eliminate the cause of any public nuisance.

Either you're unclear on the concept, or you're part of the problem.

and I know that others are not... but how do you know which is which?

You would jam an entire roomful of people whether they are responsible users or not?

You know there was a time when most kids were taught simple phone etiquette for land-lines. Maybe the same should be done for all users of cell phones.

But you and I both know damn well if you were in line for 20 minutes waiting for your prescription and the person in front of you was on the cell phone and needed to be counseled, instead of being sent to the back of the line (as businesses should do) they just ramble on and on and if the person on the other side of the counter has the audacity to demand their attention, the cellphone user will freak out and cause a scene and the person waiting on them will be the bad guy.

As much as I despise cell phones and cell phone users (by users I mean the people who have them constantly glued to their heads regardless of circumstances or surroundings), I'd be a bit hesitant to employ a personal jammer if I wasn't fully aware of the situation/conversation the offending "yakker" was involved in.

OTOH... I have no problem with certain public venues and places of business installing the more powerful jammers.

What if an establishment puts up a sign at the door saying "Cell phones are subject to jamming incoming signals" ? (I mean, experience and human nature tells us that a simple sign saying "Please be courteous, turn off your cell phone" sign would have no effect).

At least that way, you would have the option of patronizing that venue/establishment or not. Not all that much different when a lot of places went "smoke free"... where did people go?

Still want your cake and eat it too? Carry a pager. Less obnoxious and not rude. And as someone else mentioned; long before cell phones came along, doctors had pagers if they need to be reached in a an emergency.

Look at it from your side... Yes, I know you have your phone on vibrate, (which makes you an exception rather then the rule), but how many times have you been interrupted in a restaurant, while driving, while working, while on a bus, while shopping, etc because some gadfly friend of yours wants to discuss a boy/girlfriend, sports score or just shoot the shit? A pager would eliminate the less important calls (and still keep you in contact in case of a medical emergency), and allow the rest of us not to be bothered, hampered, inconvenienced or delayed because of your life line to communication?

I'm all for establishments stating that phones will be jammed, Churches, movie theatres, restaurants... that's fine.
But when individuals resort to exercising such control over others, we are no better than the fundamentalists who want to invade our bedrooms.
It would be the same as my slashing all your tires because you were a bad driver. By doing so - I could reason that I was saving others from harm.

Taking such measures into one's own hands rings so close to a Deibold executive fixing a vote 'for our own good' it makes me cringe.

Think twice before you exercise control over another - that is what we've been fighting against for so long.

Now where do I get one of these...?

it's all about manners, common courtesy and respect (might sound a bit "Freeperish" to some, but those should be attributes common to all people regardless of political affiliation).

Most people that I'm aware of have a enough of a daily stress in their lives.

It's just not relegated to work, home, family, etc.

For some reason, it's the little things in life that piss us off the most.

A person might not be able to tell their boss to "fuck off", gain control of their family situation, or get out of debt. But, if they can take it out on some minor easily definable thing like cell phones, other drivers, shopping lines, etc they will.

I'm guilty of that. You're guilty of that and everyone else here on DU is guilty of that.

Jamming someone elses cell phone on a personal level is and isn't really about "exercising control" over another, it's just part of the frustration and anger everyone feels.

People lived perfectly normal and efficient lives long before cell-phone addiction set in.

Don't give us that doctor spiel. That's horsepucky. You don't think there were doctors on call before cell phones began interfering in parking lots, stores, courtrooms, lecture halls, restaurants and movie theaters.

Shut the damned thing off!

When you're out, just call from your car while your car is parked. You don't have to have the damned thing on constantly. Most people on cell-phones are just chatting aimlessly with girlfriends or boyfriends. It's become a social disease of major proportions, and a humungous public nuisance.

I imagine more vehicular accidents are caused cell-phone users every year in America by now than by drunk drivers.

Period.

Your cell phone goes off during dinner at a restaurant, it's should be an automatic cue to the the waitstaff to bring the check and escort you out the door.

In the movie theatre....the usher should usher them out the door.

In line at the grocery store, DMV, post office, wherever....Wait on the next person in line.

In a car it should be an automatic ticket to be seen driving with a cellphone up to your ear.

In school...an automatic reduction in grade.

Unfortunately, all this "customer is always right" bullshit takes over and if the ANYONE has the audacity to tell a rude cellphone user to turn it off or leave, they are made out to be the rude/bad person instead of the person who is clutching a cellphone to their ear while inconveniencing and annoying everyone in their immediate vicinity.

In the real world, the cell-phone addict prevails, causing all kinds of public nuisances and accidents virtually everywhere, every day.

...within their own establishments and people won't just use manners themselves, it leaves many places with no options except to do things like jam them and paste a sign on the door saying "CELL-FREE ZONE!" so there is no expectation their cellphones will work in the premises.

I say HUZZAH! to this new invention. FUCK those rude cell-phone users. Just JAM THE HELL OUT OF THEM FOR A CHANGE!!!

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Would you take it upon yourself to personally disrupt someone else's property without their knowledge because it MIGHT be disruptive?

on their devices.

Bad drivers to begin with, and they will pay for being a bad driver one way or another - whatever stupid thing they were doing to get into an accident.

But because of so many nuisances, you would personally disable other peoples property whether they were responsible with it or not?

Again - that sounds like something a Bush Republican would do.

you are infringing on my rights.

People have the right to annoy you, and you have the right to ask them to cut it out.

But you are assuming command of the situation by making EVERYON ELSE'S devices not work - you are assuming that those people are not using their phones responsibly or for productive reasons.
That is the height of arrogance... to assume you know someone's business better than they do.

Sounds like some Christians I know.

What you describe as "people have the right to annoy you" (by causing a public nuisance in a parking lot, for instance, by being distracted due to your cell-phone conversation that you're constantly blocking traffic/causing near-accidents) is illegal.

I not only have the right to tell them to cut it out (as if I had the chance to jump out of my car and chase them all down), I also have the right to sue them (if I had a chance to jump out of my car and chase them down and get them to give me legal identification), I also think I should have the right to shut their friggin' cell-phones off because THAT's what's causing the whole problem in the first place!!!

Really, public cell-phone addicts make me as angry as the Repukes in D.C.!

I know a lot of people who are annoyed with the 'punk'/'goth' look.
I know a lot of people who are annoyed with welfare recipients.
I know a lot of people who are annoyed by a lot of things, does that give them the right to eradicate those things?

My point is that you are tampering with something I rely upon WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE.

If I know you are a bad driver - that would mean I have the right to remove your car battery in the middle of the night so you don't terrorize other motorists that day... Right?

The principle is the same.

we might be able to entertain a rational conversation.

Until then: you're just plain wrong.

Is it ok to disable someone else's property without their knowledge?

If your phone is on vibrate, no one's gonna jam you. They won't know your phone is going off.

If they are jamming someone, they're only gonna jam long enough to force the asshole to hang up the phone call.

And even if they go into a restaurant and jam the whole time, just as a pre-emptive measure? Well, that's how it goes. People shouldn't have to listen to assholes talking on the phone in restaurants.

Considering that, given the timespan of humanity on the earth, that it's only in the last 5 years, out of the 10,000 years of our time here on earth as civilized peoples, we can esily make the point that, up to now, you wouldn't have been reachable outside your home, anyway, unless they knew what restaurant you were at.

And if you leave the kids alone, and aren't letting the babysitter know where you are, then aren't you culpable? My parents always told us where they were going, and wrote down the phone numbers.

If someone can't reach you on your cell phone, it isn't the end of the world. They'll reach you some other way. And who's to say you'd even have a cell phone signal there, anyway?

...and the babysitter or what have you would be routed to that. It would take 2 seconds upon leaving the restaurant to check the voice mail.

The point is that in the last few years people have come to TRUST their devices... misplaced or not, they trust them.

I always tell the babysitter where we're going - but the cell phone IS 'the other way' to reach us, we're not ONLY at the restaurant.

Just keep this in mind - hopefully you will never be told that the doctor can't be found to save your loved one's life because he trusted his cell phone in a place someone used a jammer - that stupid doctor. I'm sure you'll sue him after your loved one dies, but they could have been saved if a self-righteous, overly sensitive diner didn't buy one of those things... which would you prefer?

That ain't no 'high-horse'.

do not allow cell phone use, nor do they get reception in many areas of the hospital.

affect pagers?

So you're saying that if these jammers become widespread all the doctors who WERE using cell-phones have to go back to pagers?

The jammers affect those too - I guarantee someone will suffer because people 'didn't want to be annoyed'.

...that the establishment is a "cell free zone" and that it is enforced by way of technology.

That way, there is no unrealistic expectation that cell phones will work in there and there is no hassle with the assholes who can't be bothered to have a modicum of manners.

Then you know you can't rely on your device and either leave or have made other arrangements.
Perfect.

My problem with this whole thing is that you are disabling someone else's property without their knowledge... that's very conservative behavior. (Reminds me of this 'Diebold' guy I heard about....)

they'd only try calling one doctor, then, well, that's another matter.

I don't know if you know this, so I will elighten you, but I don't know of any hospital that calls doctors-on-call on cell phones. They use pagers. And they use pagers because pagers are allowed in the intensive care units, around the MRIs, and, in fact, in all areas of the hospitals. Cell phones are allowed only in very limited areas in hospitals.

Pagers are also used because they don't have "no signal" areas like cell phones. If my pager works on one side of a room, it works on the other side. Cell phones aren't that good.

And even if - god forbid - a doctor was on call and his/her pager wasn't getting the message, you can bet that whoever is paging that doctor is paging every minute or so, and trying other ways to contact them.

I was a hospital chaplain for a time, and I can tell you, the nurses and doctors and others, when they paged me, would page me every couple minutes until I called them back. And that's just for a chaplain.

I think your reaction is totally overblown and self-focused and devoid of a sense of reality.

You would single-handedly take it upon yourself to disable other people's property without their knowledge because you might be annoyed by it?

Answer carefully.

People have the right to not have their meals and/or musical shows and/or worship services and/or funerals and/or whatever interrupted by insensitive clods and idiots.

You have a cell phone - you say you have a right to use that cell phone wherever and whenever you want. However, I have to go on the side of the people who might want a cell-free zone, especially in appropriate places. You use of a cell phone is handy, but not essential. Just in the same way that I would classify someone blasting their stereo at loud volumes is violating far more other people's rights to silence, then the other people are violating the loud stereo guy's rights to "listen to his music however loudly he wants". Or the right of a community to expect that people won't park in front of fire hydrants outdoes the rights of the idiot who feels he has a right to park wherever he wants. Or the rights of a group who feel that their neighborhood should be clean and sparkly outdoes the rights of the assholes who feel they should be able to litter and put their cars on their front lawn.

If cell phones were the only viable means of contacting people, it would be one thing. But they aren't. Humanity did just fine not having them for thousands of years.

When I go to a restaurant or theater etc., I turn the phone off. Unless I forget, of course. But it goes OFF. Even though I have vibrate on mine as well. I turn it OFF. So no one gets disturbed, and because *I* don't want to be disturbed. I also turn it off when I am with friends, because it's rude to take a phone call when I'm with someone else, unless we've agreed it's okay.

Used to be that there wasn't any easy way to instantly contact people wherever they were. We lived through it.

The onus is on you, knowing now that jammers exist, to adapt and adjust and give up your infatuation and addiction to cell phones, using them above and beyond other people's rights to quiet and interruption-free dining, and learn to do what humanity has done for decades and centuries - tell the babysitters where you are going, and give them the phone number to the restaurant or whatever.

Thank you for deciding that for me...

Are you sure you're not a Republican?


(I'm sure having fun with this - you?)

:bounce:

:eyes:

The point is that You have decided my phone-use is not essential.

Besides... I'm the Republican here. (Yes - registered and all, but the mods already know that.)

Someone installs a jammer up under your firewall in your car... at least they know you won't be using your cell while driving~!

(So it's ok if someone does that then?)

Everytime I drive around or go anywhere there are these friggin' idiots glued to their friggin' cell phones - in restaurants, stores, movie theaters, malls, and especially the friggin' SUV moms in the parking lots causing tons of near-accidents and blocking traffic.

I've fantasized for years about shooting their tires out. This is a much more effective and peaceful way of dealing with this incredibly obnoxious public nuisance.

GOTTA GE ME ONE!!!

Just wanted to chime in on the cell phone thing...I went to the electirc company the other day and the girl working the front desk was actually on the job talking to her boy friend on her cell, I had to wait while she took five minutes to tell him bye...I was NOT a happy camper.

It is irrelevant whether she was on a cell, a land line, or doodling in a book.

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

It was the proximate cause of the poor service. Take the cell phone away and she has nothing else to do but focus on her job of taking care of her customers.

would approve in the slightest of her yakking to her boyfriend on her personal cell while working.

Cell phones are banned at work for many people (as are personal phone calls on the work land line). I bet she could possibly even get fired for that one.

Bad service is bad service... period.

and i woulda so reported her lame a$$!

Then maybe people would only use them for emergencies

"cell phone" brick.

:)

I needed to choose a shipping option from the shipping "menu". The webpage has no shipping "menu" at all. Does this mean the whole this is bogus???

Browser problems? I can pull-up a "shipping options" (Netscape 7.0).

Google on "cellphone jammers" for other offerings.

Of course I make no claim about the legality of these (they are illegal in the USA), or ethical usage of one of these things, or if they even work as advertised.

I'm just like a large percentage of people who are fed up with the over abundance of cell-phones and rude behavior amongst cell phone users.

I'm "on call" almost anytime I'm not at work. I carry one of those nextel walkie talkie phomes so if one of my coworkers or a client needs to contact me they can. In my line of work a minor issue that goes unadressed can quickly snowball and impact the quality of life of quite a few people. If I wasn't able to use my cel phone reliably I'd rarely get to be anywhere but home or work without having to make extensive preaparations to let people know who to contact in an emergency, how to reach me while I'm gone, etc.

If you can honestly tell yourself it's ok to exert control over other people's property without their knowledge - fine.

But think of all the thing you've railed against for many years first.

If it's ok for you to do this, why isn't it ok for Diebold to put Bush in office? After all - it's what's best for everybody in the restaurant, right?
That's the point - That when one person decides what is best for everyone else, we wind up with this self-righteous diatribe on "these people are inconsiderate, those people are bad drivers, this group is going to ruin the sanctity of marriage..."

You think that's a stretch?

It wasn't for them.


I'm all for establishments stating that phones will be jammed, Churches, movie theatres, restaurants... that's fine.
But when individuals resort to exercising such control over others, we are no better than the fundamentalists who want to invade our bedrooms.
It would be the same as my slashing all your tires because you were a bad driver. By doing so - I could reason that I was saving others from harm.

Taking such measures into one's own hands rings so close to a Deibold executive fixing a vote 'for our own good' it makes me cringe.

Think twice before you exercise control over another - that is what we've been fighting against for so long.

Now where do I get one of these...?

I was in Indy for a Democrat Womans meeting and this gals celll phone kept ringing. I wanted to throw her and the phone out the window.

... but the cell phones are jammed.

I wish I could get out of this burning building. I wish I could call for help to let someone know I'm trapped in the elevator... but alas... cell phone communications are JAMMED!

:eyes:

(did you even read the article or capabilities of the jamming devices?)

Lets not forget about the cellphone warnings in Flight "lets roll" 93.

Add that in why you're at it.

Figure it out.

How does one respond to an idiotic post like that?

"I'm sorry, sir, but Kitty requests that you turn your cell phone off"

He was a contractor. He came to the store to buy a lot of building materials. He was also on the phone the whole time he was in there.

And while he was walking around jabbering on his phone while holding a clipboard in one hand and two writing utensils in the other, he managed to stagger into the racking five times, into the product we had on the forks of a reach truck twice, into the reach truck itself twice, he tripped once and we finally had to grab him before he walked into the path of a speeding car. Quite a few customers came up to ask us to do something about him: "That m.f. is gonna kill himself if he don't cut that shit out."

Our manager finally asked him if he'd like a nice desk to sit at while he did his business. "That would be nice, thanks."