Why is sexist joking only bad if it knocks women?

Has anyone else noticed this? If a jokey email thing is posted that knocks men, it's all okily dokily, but if it knocks women, there's no question the thread will be barraged by posters harranguing about how awful and sexist and bad it is.

Because people, on the cultural level -- not individually -- are not sophisticated enough to understand "sexism". They are only sophisticated enough to understand simple, binary rules, which serve more to mask the underlying sexism than they do to actually supress it -- and that's why political correctness exists. The equivalent is true for racism, chauvinism, xenophobia, etc.

"...Because there's no snow in the kitchen!"

not meant as sexism, just trying to put some lightheartedness into this flamefest. :hi:

kicking an underdog is not particularly funny generally

I don't believe in bashing males either as a whole though (some on an individual level are bash worthy at times) because there are some males in this world who are a cut above. Still, given that most of the places of power in society are still, for the most part, held by men, there's something a bit extra creepy about bashing women (again, on a general sense since, like men, some individual women aren't very nice people).

Words of wisdom, lioness!. :thumbsup:

I stopped a woman in my office from posting those stupid male bashing
jokes by asking her if she ever thought about how the delightful men
we work with felt upon reading them. She's married to a jerk and was
taking it out on all men IMO.

nm

Since men nominally have the power in this society, sexism towards males doesn't have the same tooth to it. Ditto for racism from blacks toward whites, &c.

To my mind, any racism/sexism is bad, and the consequences of it should be regarded as a separate but important component. In other words, no such discrimination or prejudice is excusable, no matter what the current socio-economic power hierarchy looks like.

If that makes sense.

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It's all about where the power lies.

an oppressed group in our society has more leeway in saying those types of things, because of the prejudices normally directed at them.

Personally, I tend to get offended by either of them. I think though that part of it is the fact that men have been in control for so long that they can more easily have a sense of humor about being knocked. As a woman, I know I have a chip on my shoulder and I'm very sensitive about sexism, even if it's only implied or in jest. I've had to fight all my life to be treated as an equal so it burns me when I'm not.

I guess the same could be said for whites - most white people are pretty easy going about hillbilly jokes or that sort of thing where people of color might take them as horribly racist. When you've been treated unfairly anyway, a joke takes on a new meaning.

Or maybe I'm full of shit! :silly:

so I expect you not to make jokes about me in the future.

They really ARE that stupid/lazy/dumb/shallow, etc !!

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:hippie:

Right on!

under civil rights laws

white men are not.

don't get me started here. I consider myself to be very liberal-minded, but the level of pc crap that has come out of the liberal movement is in large part to blame for joe-six-pack voting puke against his own economic interests.

i recently attended an equal employment opportunity (EEO) indoctrination at work and had to listen to some of the most ridiculous nonsense you can imagine. the EEO officer for instance said that you shouldn't acknowledge someone by nodding or raising an eyebrow when saying hello because it may be construed as having sexual connotations.

why the hell cant people simply use common sense?

Why should we care?

We have all the money and power anyway.

Women can say all they want, but rich white men will laugh at you all the way to the bank.

Unless, of course, you become rich and powerful yourself. And then... well, look what happened to Martha Stewart.

But seriously, here is something that actually addresses the issue...


Clothing Designer Misses Point of 'Girl Power'

By Dana Williams | Staff Writer, Tolerance.org

Jan. 23, 2004 -- Kyndra Connor is part of a growing group of teenage girls across the country sporting one of the hottest new fashion trends.

The trend isn't belly-baring hipster jeans, dangly chandelier earrings or even feathered handbags that are all the current rage.

It's a line of T-shirts and accessories bearing slogans like "Boys are stupid; throw rocks at them," and "The stupid factory — where boys are made."


"These T-shirts have nothing to do with girl power," says Joe Kelly, president of Dads and Daughters in Duluth, Minn. "They are a cynical manipulation of faux 'girl power' designed primarily to generate corporate profit, the consequences be damned."

Glenn Sacks, a nationally syndicated men's and father's rights talk show host and columnist is using his radio show to wage a campaign against companies who carry the "Boys are stupid" merchandise.

"There are many concerns about the social health of schools," said Zucker. "This wouldn't be something that promotes an inclusive or welcoming feeling in any school or classroom."

"I see these types of fads as representing the pervasiveness of mean-spirited and rude behaviors children are demonstrating toward each other and adults beginning at younger and younger ages," said Marilyn Quisenberry, a school psychologist at Lindero Canyon Middle School in Agoura Hills, Calif.

The rest at:
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=929

And I see a lot of it.

I think they do it because they can. Kinda falls under the catagory of retaliatory sexism I guess.

People need to lighten the hell up.

They're JOKES!

as long as ALL jokes are treated that way, regardless of target


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

Overt sexism for humor's sake is meant to be satire. Funny ha-ha, not funny strange.

It's the hidden sexism, such as portrayed by Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Rilley that people should be pissed off about.

There's a skit on the Triumph the Insult Comic Dog DVD everyone should watch, with Horatio Sands, where they talk about working blue, and how lame observational comedy is.

"Have you ever noticed how women/men do this or that?"

Followed by Horatio deep throating a dildo. The dildo fellatio got more laughs and applause. People love rude, crude, insulting humor that pushes the edge of comedy. All the greats work blue.

There are some things worth getting your panties in a bunch about.

Other things, not so much.

than women do. It's why calling white men "crackers" doesn't affect them, because the balance of power is unequal between the races.

it DOES affect me. i treat all my female friends with respect, and the same as my male friends, and i still get pigeonholed as a big stupid asshole just because im a male. stereotypes are bad, regardless of power. two wrongs do not make a right


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

several thousand years of it directed at them.

Now you know why they've been annoyed all this time.

redQUEEN.

Not all of us are pissed off all the time.

I'm certainly not gonna accept that as a reality for me.

:shrug:

keeping women's earnings at 60% of men's for the same work, or for ensuring that 99% of our nation's leaders are male, or that 90% of our nation's business's upper management is male. It doesn't as often lead to gender-specific laws, domestic violence, domestic homocide, rape, and a general lack of respect for the rights of over half the nation's population.

"Dumb Male" jokes are like a celebrity roast-- they are acceptable because they are picking on the ones in charge. "Dumb female" jokes are attempts by those in charge to bully those who have been excluded from power and wealth sharing in this nation, and that bullying has sad and often tragic circumstances in our society.

Want the situation more even? Fight for equal rights.

If you call me an oppressive, slackjawed, pig, it's ok, it's only in jest. But if I were to call you a dumb slut, I'd be the sexist one. Nice reasoning.

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:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

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were replying to.

The question wasn't about whether insults were appropriate, the question was why sexist jokes directed at women get a thread locked whereas sexist jokes directed at men aren't frowned upon the same way.

Pay attention, don't prove the stupid male stereotype with your non sequitar red herrings.

And for the record, I'm male.

The recent joke I suspect you are referring to (the "ass" one) knocks both men and women, though. Perhaps that makes it ok? :shrug:

There are comments in this thread that unambiguously attack men (jokingly, supposedly), and those are definitely not "okily dokily" with me.

Being a man, though, I think I have more responsibility to go after the cases where men stereotype women.

Peter

I am sure a sociologist would point out that whatever group is percieved to have the power in a society is likely to be the group that it is ok to joke about. One would think however that racism is racism. Another example would be Christian jokes. Ok to make christian jokes, but jewish or muslim jokes may be seen as off color.

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can't a guy even drop a little subtle humor in the lounge anymore? :shrug:

:beer: Here's to the double-standard! :toast:

:toast:

Sarcasm ist verboten!

Love your response. :)

b/c it is definitely my favorite literary device:)

we haff ze feelings TOO you know!

I can't win!

I give up... :P

:)

It perpetuate the new stereotype that ALL man are stupid idiots. While that may be true of some - for the most part it's not true of most.

It's reverse sexism and I don't like it.

when it is that white males have much more privilege and power than women/minorities do. It's why racial epithets directed at white men doesn't affect them, because they do not suffer from the imbalance of power. The same goes for sexist jokes.

Not such a hard concept to grasp.

that's why I don't give a fuck about all this needless whining about "reverse sexism" because I know it doesn't exist. It doesn't affect me if someone calls me a stupid guy, because I have much more male privilege than they do. I recognize that, and I try to check my privilege at the door when I discuss sexism and racism.

do you get all outraged about both kinds of jokes?

because it doesn't affect us since we hold the power in this society. However, I do give a flying fuck about sexist jokes towards women, because the use of language perpetuates damaging stereotypes and attitudes towards women since they are disadvantaged in this society.

Oh well.

ALL jokes aimed at demeaning and minimizing a group are wrong.

How about that?

Are you gonna put yourself up on a Cross so we can beat you for all the wrongs men have done to women too??

Please.

NO jokes aimed at demeaning and minimizing a group are wrong.

:)

if you are willing to make fun of yourself first and foremost. This seems to be the key to humor: don't take your own self seriously.

See, to me, sexist jokes are not jokes on a sex, but on sexISM. That's why I love'em. I like racist jokes, xenophobic jokes -- you name it; the more offensive, the better. And that includes groups that I (supposedly) belong to.

false differences among people (race, sex, language group, whatever), then we know we are talking about OURSELVES when we are talking about others. That's why humor demands fun to be poked at one's own self, IMO.

What really worries me is the amount of dogma I see around here. Which words we should use, which jokes we can make, bla-fuckin-bla.

I actually think that political correctness and dogma are just as evil as sexism and racism, and in a way helps sustain them.

that it looks past the phony, illusional "differences" in people in a sly and mocking way. And if some group or other is offended, then that group has not understood the true ONENESS of us all.

Women are ONLY called a minority because that's what our Patriarcle Society has said we are. We are the MAJORITY honey.

But I still LOVE men! :)

Especially when those so-called "privleged white men" spend a lifetime trying to make amends for the mistakes of their peers. Is it your ambition to balance the scales, or tip them in your favor?

NOT all white people are privileged, and NOT ALL minorities have it rough from day one.

The sooner we stop lumping groups of people into glittering generality clubs, the better!

and the recognization of the power male privilege has in this society towards women.

What makes you perceive otherwise?

Don't belittle and demean any woman with statements like that. OK?

Women don't have to *brush up* on feminism we live it EVERY FUCKING DAY!

...but then you sober up in the morning and get back together with your boyfriends...

(copyright Ali G)

Setting these convoluted and self serving definitions of racism, sexism, feminism and so on remind me of the fundamentalists who keep redefining Christianity to exclude anyone they don't like.

I've had to work through school, and am still paying back in interest. I was never hired for a job through privlege, so it burns me that someone would assume that I have it made because I have less melanin and more outdoor plumbing than the next person. I thought as progressives we were above this. Granted, the world is far from equal, but damn if women haven't come a long way in the last century.

and I'm telling you, our gender has way more privilege than women do. Women make 25% less than we do, and they are disenfranchised when it comes to birth control, their health care insurance coverage, the higher statistics of domestic violence/rape against them.

It's not wrong to recognize the immense amount of privilege that we have over women, and we can rectify it by actually taking sexism against women seriously, and making sure to extend equal pay and reproductive rights to women as well as protection against domestic violence and rape. Language has to do with everything. It's often those that don't recognize their internal sexism/privilege that protests the loudest. I recognize my own sexism/privilege, and I am determined to be a better example of my gender towards women.

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every time a guy attempts to sympathize with a woman, that his gender is always being fucking questioned by other guys. Guess it's too "pansy" for guys to have feelings.

Who questioned your gender?

I just find it funny, lol. Btw, who's that dead guy in the coffin?

was it the theocrats in Congress?

Damn the white man!

Cause I'm not laughing

my humor is off the mark sometimes. Sorry about that.

I cry when moved. I care for others. Oh, and I have a penis. I must be some kind of a freak! :wow:

Pansy!

:)

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Why not ask how many of the men here on DU are insulted by this kind of thing? Then tell me how it doesn't effect them in any way.

So it's OK to insult and demean men - that bullshit and you know it.

it's just that we want some to be more equal than others. ;)

Good one you made me laugh!! :)

you need to look at the posts above mine that explains why reverse sexism doesn't work due to the imbalance of power between the genders.

I've been a feminist since the 1970's - I know all about it honey.

Equality means more than just women being equal with men. And since we are still not on a level playing field I think as women we have more work to do - but that does not include insulting and demeaning men in order to bring them down to our level. I prefer to pull me and my sisters UP to where men seem to think they are. :)

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:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

That's racism. It's just as real, and has the same impact as if the races were reversed. If the manager were a female, and fired the employee for being a male, then that's sexism, just as much if the roles are reversed. If this is not the case, please explain why it is not. You're talking generalities--let's talk specifics. If your claim is correct, then the above cases can be evidence of neither sexism nor racism. Do you believe that?

No instance of racism or sexism can be "worse" or "better" based on the color or gender of the person who exhibits it. That in itself is a racist and sexist viewpoint. The consequences can be different depending on the power of the individual to act on his/her beliefs and that's important to recognize, but the essential act remains as wrong no matter who it is that is involved.

:chirpingcrickets:

"Racism" is when one race as a group holds more power and priviledge than another race as a group. One particular instance of a member of a group that does not hold power and priviledge discriminating against one particular member of a group that does hold power and priviledge doesn't equal "racism." Discrimination is wrong but it isn't synonymous with racism.

And that situation would not have the same impact as if the races were reversed. Even with affirmative action, it's still easier for a white person to find a job. If the person had been black and had been fired, he/she would have a very hard time every finding another decent job. If a white person is fired there's still a good chance of someone thinking it's a one-time issue and giving him/her a second chance. That's a good example of how a societal issue like racism makes two discrimination cases different.

of the philosophy called racism.

LOL nice try at reframing, though.

Racism is when you take racial prejudice and enforce it because you have the power through the group's institutions. Racism is not just a matter of attitudes: actions and institutional structures can also be a form of racism. Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred, or discrimination. Racism involves having the power to carry out systematic discriminatory practices through the major institutions of our society.

How unfortunate.

Unfortunate indeed.

I'm not interested in convolutions to make it self serving. I'm interested in fairness, equity and accuracy.

Some fundamentalists like to play your same game - they're quick to say "He's not a real Christian" about someone they disagree with, excluding examples that spoil the image they're trying to put out.

that exists. Your argument for doing so is a fallacy. By pretending that they don't exist is tantamount to contributing to the continuance of the problems that derives from sexism and racism. By all accounts today, we should stop sticking our heads in the sand like some damned ostriches.

I'm ignoring your lame definitions.

Nowhere did I suggested ignoring racism or sexism.

by calling racism or sexism 'convolutions'.

You confused YOUR convolutions of each with the things themselves.

I don't think sexism, against any gender, is okay.

I don't think racism, against any race, is okay.

Racism and sexism exist, they are problems, and they tend to impact some races and genders more than others.

What I reject are your definitions that limit these -isms to only institutional power.

what in the fuck do you mean by institutional power?

"usable tool" of the philosophy called racism. It's the execution of the philosophy.

What you're saying is like saying government and laws aren't the same thing. Well...yeah...but, laws are what governments use to govern people.

Why in the fuck do so many people keep missing out on this salient point?

it's the philosophy behind it that's bad?

I'm not sure I even understand what you're trying to do here.

they are disagreeing with it. This idea that you take as self-evident - that only whites can be racist and only men can be sexist because of institutionalized power imbalances - has been discussed here repeatedly, and the majority of the discussants have rejected it. You are mistaken to assume that people don't agree with your point because they don't understand it - most understand the point just fine, but prefer a less narrow definition of racism.

a. The theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race.

--This fits my point. If a store clerk, black or white, fires someone based on their race, then clearly they subscribe to the above belief. Note that the OED doesn't include a power chart with the various socio-economic states of the various races. What happens if a group of Samoans beat a Puerto Rican individual to death because of his race? Is that not racist? Would we have to consult your power balance to determine if this racially charged murder could be called "racist"? Do Samoans have enough power over blacks to have this crime be defined as racist by your definition? Your arguments here are ridiculous.

You seem to be focused most on consequences--these are separate from the racist act. Racism involves thinking that people can be judged solely by race. This is wrong, no matter what the color or ethnic background of the person who holds the belief.

And it does sometimes crose the line into misandry.

Look at how many TV sitcoms portray the male as the bad guy. The cheater, the idiot two-dimensional husband, the overreacting father figure that has to be corrected. Stereotypes for all groups will always be with us.

has to be dolled up and beautiful to have a career in television/movies. That's definately fairness.

Men can be whatever they want in our society. There seems to be an overabundance of unattractive men married/dating very good looking women on t.v. It's okay for a guy to be unattractive in Hollywood. How many unattractive, overweight women are on television married to hunks??

Men are in control of broadcasting, production corporations, etc. So how does this "sexist" attitude prevail? I honestly think that men want it to continue because it gives them an excuse to do as they want while women pick up the slack in relationships and life. Like the guy who doesn't know how to clean on the commercials,* or take care of his kids. I honestly think this stereotype prevails because men want it that way. By telling themselves and the rest of society that they are just not qualified for the day-to-day labor that goes into a household/family, it excuses them from having to do work that is grossly undervalued and underappreciated and frees them to work hard in areas that are deemed more valuable (all outside the home). As I said before, men are in charge of a substantial amount of what we see in advertising. While a majority of advertising is directed towards women, I believe it is the advertiser's (and men's) way of saying, "You guys (women) are so much smarter than we are, so here, you need to take control of all of this household/family labor ... BTW, here is a product to help you with that, since you honestly shouldn't expect us men, who are so much less competent than you are, to help!" Using flattery to get what they want ... strange concept, I know. :eyes:

At least that's the way I see it.


*(i.e. check out that orange juice commercial from a few years ago - where it began in the 1950's/60's as the guy was reading a paper and mom was getting the kids ready for school and making breakfast ... it then flashed forward to present times where the mom was a lot more frazzled, the kids were running around crazy getting a quick breakfast and getting out the door for school. Where was dad?? Still sitting at the table absorbed in a newspaper.)

I'm a fat slob, and I love having Laurie Dhue as my wife!!!

it's really a big maniacal plot to get men everywhere out of doing housework. How amazingly clever...if I suspended my skeptical nature that might almost sound plausible.

My ex husband used to say things like "honey, could you make me a tuna salad sandwich? Because NO ONE can make tuna like you do..."

which was effing ridiculous because it consisted of two steps - dump tuna out of can, add mayo.

Sexism is subtle and so ingrained that it's barely noticable much of the time - unless you're the one being discriminated against. I used to play pool - I can't count the times I had some fool man on the other end of the table pointing at a ball and saying, "hit it right here, honey and it should go in the corner pocket." Never, ever, saw them give advice like that to another guy, no matter how badly they played (and I was a good player).

Conversely, guys who claim never to have been handed anything may not realize how much they have been handed. As a single mother, I've worked many non traditional jobs - road construction, snowmobile mechanic. I've had to prove that I could hold my own in those jobs in ways that men were not required to do. When I made a mistake, it was attributed to my being a woman whereas a man making the same mistake would be given a pass or it would be blamed on bad luck or just one of those days.

I have a good sense of humor and I get along well with men. I've never filed a sexual harassment claim because of any of this - I've put my head down and worked hard. But it exists. And language does matter - it makes it less visible and easier to condone.

Maybe he's just a lazy sod. Lazieness comes in all genders.

Oh, and for the record, I am the child of a single mother, and I am fully aware of the trouble she went through raising three children on three bucks and change per hour. I've said it before, I've had nothing handed to me. I'm not going to lie and say that I probably didn't get more chances in life because of my gender, but I have the mind to know it's wrong to discriminate against someone NO MATTER WHAT.

It was the concept of manipulation that I was referring to - by making me feel like I was the best in the world at something, it meant he didn't have to do it himself. And that was the concept the poster I replied to mentioned. Yes, he was a lazy sod among other things. That is why he's my ex. :evilgrin:

If you look at my first post in this thread which is quite high up, I said that it bothers me in both instances - when people make disparaging remarks about people of either sex. I don't care for that sort of joke. And I agree it is wrong to discriminate against anyone for any reason.

But I do think that men tend to take less offense at those jokes because of the imbalance of power issue. And I did want to point out how subtle much sexism is - I think quite often people are not aware that they have behaved in a sexist manner.

I apologize if I offended you - sure didn't mean to.

My partner and I defer to each other on things like that all the time and we're both men.

I read into what you said. No offense taken! :hi:

My husband does that, too... 'honey, you make the BEST peanut butter sandwiches!'

What's the next lie you'll tell? That you're a good driver too???

I should have known you'd see through that one! LOL.

That would be FAT. Which is also a feminist issue since fat women are judged and maligned much more than fat men.

as a psych student, ive always wanted to do a study on the perception of intelligence based on weight/size. many times ive been treated as stupid because im big, though i graduated 3rd in my high school class with a 3.99 gpa


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

and both attractive...coincidence??? i think not. just like a woman to sleep their way to the top (JUST KIDDING!!!)

ironically, my ONLY B was in weight training :eyes:

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

Women :eyes:

Dad wants to stay home and watch soaps now, I guess.

What's the problem? Just more high-paying jobs for women, right?

:wow: Add in a dose a race wars and we're off. :evilgrin:

I wanted to respond to too many posts, so I decided to put in my two cents to your neutral reply...hope that's okay.

this is for everyone: Please pick up a copy of the book "Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria?". It does a wonderful job of breaking down a lot of the issues that have come up on this thread. It directly addresses the race issue, and indirectly takes on gender, sexual preference, ethnicity, etc...

This is the first place I read about 'white privledge' and was shocked at how much I (a white woman in a biracial marriage) did not know about racism. After reading this I am convinced (changed my mind) that there is no such thing as reverse racism/sexism and that there is such thing as white/male/straight privledge in this country. I do not think my mind would have been changed by any brief thread on a forum, but the book is amazing in it's detail and research. I strongly encourage anyone willing to have their views on these issues challenged pick it up and then come back to these issues.

The gentleman with Jon in his sig is right on target in my book. I am a white woman, btw.

I have benefited in life with no effort or desire on my part because I am white; conversely I have been discriminated against with no effort or desire on my part because I am a woman.

Some people think racism and sexism only exist with power imbalance. And some think they only exist with INSTITUTIONAL power imbalance.

It's an unfortunate and self-serving rationalization.

And in logic it's the True Scotsman fallacy.

Where were you this morning? :hi:

and i'm a man saying that! women can make all the jokes they want, but i'll still make more money than them, have more doors opened to me, i'll be more respected, AND i'll actually be taken seriously.

i think with all of that, the rest of you men can toughen up, get some thicker skins, and "act like a man"

way to go, bro!

Well, shit! Get me a beer, then!

And git yourself a beer. It's not that hard to reach across the table, pop open the beer, and guzzle it down.

Did I mention that I'm a man?

I'm all for attacking the wage gap and all that other good stuff, but can't we all just recognize JOKES as JOKES?

Criminy!

by the "reverse sexism" jokes

we men, mostly white men got it easy. don't be babies and get all offended by a joke. because you're right, it's exactly that, a JOKE.

be a MAN. dont have wussy little fag FEELINGS

:eyes:


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

or buffoons

or some other thing that's easy to ridicule

at least white men are

now don't go knocking men of color

EXACTLY!!!!

strenuously. "sexist" = "sexist", the gender is inconsequential.

i dare say that some posters get more offended by womenbashers because there is such a long & obvious history of the mistreatment of women. it is a little hard to sympathize w/ middle-aged white guys since they are so systematically abusive (in general).

broad generalizations are offensive, though. i'm a middle-aged guy that passes for white. i am *not* a sexist. nor am i at all "typically" male.

o/c, i have to view the joke thread; know of it's existence, in order to object to the objectification. that's unlikely, as the tonality herein has bored me to the point of rarely visiting; spend what little time i'm here in LBN & GD.

You're just mad that there aren't so many threads about hedges' intestinal problems, aren't you? There ARE other things in life, you know...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2102404&mesg_id=2102404

is the defensiveness; ie, "i'm not wrong, i can't be wrong, & i'll defend my position w/ hollow arguments until you get bored & go away. o/c, i'll lean nothing in this process & continue to post rubbish that does not contribute in any way, but i'll be able to maintain my self-image."

debating the puerile is demeaning & a waste of time. it isn't even decent entertainment, which is, after all, the reason for the lounge.

i've been known to make mistakes & post offensively @ Xs. when it's called to my attention, i try very hard to see the opposing point of view. most often, i realize i've missed a nuance & the post can be interpreted as offensive. if so, i immediately post an apology & retraction.

i don't ask any1 not to make mistakes, just to maintain an open mind & respond like an adult to reasonable criticism.

That's the way it's done here. We like to spar with each other.

made an appropriate qualification, & bowed out. will *NOT* waste time trying to convince an ass that he's being an ass.

also, i recognized the ambush before i stepped in here.

jokes extolling prejudice are the province of the narrow mind.

I'm narrow minded.

:cry:

i'm surprised actually. thought better of you.

won't trouble you further over this. won't be drawn into rehashing w/you, either. just no point, is there?

You thought better of me and now I've gone and disappointed you! Alack and alas!

Yeah, please don't bother 'rehashing' with me. However, if you cared to explain what exactly it was that made you think YOU were the arbiter of what is narrow minded and what is not, that might make for some interestin reading!

(And note to any serious-minded passersby this is not a flame... I like jukes... I'm just feeling snarky.)

Hell, I like Andrew Dice Clay and Joan Rivers and both bash the other sex with visciousness.

Gutter is a tool!

If you run Mac, you may be screwed... :cry:

You might want to check there.

Stop jackin my thread!

Now get to posting some sexist jokes... or bitchin about 'em... or bitchin about those bitchin about 'em... or have off wit yas!

Please be advised that was in jest! Happy flaming! :hi:

I do not flame. This really wasn't meant to be a flame war... I just really don't understand why people get all worked up over jokes.

But they do bring out the "open anus, insert board" types, don't they?

often hit too close to home because they reinforce so many stereotypes. Stereotypes that far too many people still firmly believe. Same with jokes based on race. And sometimes it's hard to tell if it's a joke or a thinly veiled slur.

:grr: