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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:14 PM
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Holy shit! Is anyone else listening to Mike Malloy right now?
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:14 PM by NightTrain
Check this out: Malloy said that a 10-year-old girl was recently taken out of school by police officers, handcuffed, and taken to the police station because she had a pair of scissors in her bookbag! The scissors, it seems, were "a possible weapon."

:wtf: is happening to my country? :scared:
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:15 PM
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1. Unreal!
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ohioliberal Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:15 PM
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2. Yes, I believe this
My 14 year old has had similar things happen at his school.
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JimmyJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:18 PM
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3. It's been all over the papers in this part of the country.
She was suspended from school, too. Apparently, they think she had the scissors in order to open a new cd.
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:18 PM
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4. If I was her parents I would Sue the school than home school her and
any other kids. IT is impossible for children to get a REAL education Also I wouldn't stop until those Pigo cops that handcuff the child are fired.

When I was in school it was required that we by our own scissors for school work.
how about you?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:11 PM
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31. We provide scissors for the kids to use now
and they aren't 8 inch shears.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:19 PM
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5. I bought my 10 year old his firs pocket knife
20 years ago. He was so proud. Never slashed anyone.

Today, he'd be in jail and I would be arrested for some horrible crime for giving it to him.

Welcome to Bush's America.
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:32 PM
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8. We used to play mumbley peg with pocket knives in school
damn, today you'd go to jail for "displaying" a knife.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:05 PM
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30. It doesn't have anything to do with Bush
or the Patriot Act.

Weapons policies came about in the late 90s when we had that rash of school shootings in this country.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:21 PM
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6. link
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13550647&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465812&rfi=6

(snip)

Police and school district officials apologized Monday for the handcuffing and arrest of a 10-year-old girl who brought a pair of scissors to school in her backpack.

Police took the girl to a police station in a patrol wagon, her hands cuffed in front of her. A police spokesman said they were following department regulations that suspects should be handcuffed while in transit.

But Philadelphia Police Chief Sylvester Johnson and school district Chief Executive Officer Paul Vallas said Monday that they have called the mother of student Porsche Brown to apologize.

more...
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:28 PM
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7. were they safety scissors? did she hold them properly?
with the blades in the fist and held out at arm's length?
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:38 PM
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10. They were in ber bookbag. She wasn't even using them.
The scissors were found during a search of stuedents' bookbags, for chrissake. Can you say, "This is bullshit?"
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:42 PM
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11. I read they were in her desk.
But regardless of where they were, if she threatened anyone, they needed to be taken away.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:49 PM
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16. Perhaps, but did the child need to be taken away in handcuffs?
She's nine years old, for god's sake! How many years of therapy will she need after that horrifying experience?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:52 PM
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21. That is the policy in most police depts
anyone detained is put in handcuffs.
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:52 PM
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20. She didn't threaten anyone!!! It is the idea that this item was once
required or even used in school classrooms today.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:56 PM
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25. How do you know she didn't threaten anyone?
If she had, that detail would be left out of stories. Legally, they wouldn't release that info because this is a child and privacy laws apply. I also doubt her parent would reveal to the media that she had threatened anyone.
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:00 PM
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27. The new stories I have read.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:37 PM
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9. There are too many details missing from this story
I have followed it for a couple days now. I am an elementary teacher and will try to relate state laws and district policies where I work to this situation.

Several important points:

1. Yes, scissors are often considered a weapon. I saw a 1st grader stab a classmate with a pencil. It had to be removed surgically. Kids use paper clips as weapons too. They bend them around the end of a pencil and then they have a nifty little bayonett that can indeed cause physical harm. So it is not at all unreasonable to assume these scissors could have been used as a weapon. I have not allowed my students to bring scissors to school for many years now. I keep them and pass them out as needed. They are NEVER kept in a child's desk in my room.

2. We have not been told whether or not this child threatened anyone with these scissors. If she did, the school and police actions are very understandable. And before you assume this threat would have been part of the story in the media, keep in mind that school districts and police depts are notorious for NOT disclosing all relevant info in a high profile story like this. And as I have read this story, I get the impression it was reported to the media by the parent. She is quoted repeatedly while school officials are not. I am sure you all can understand that the mother would most likely leave out the fact that her daughter had threatened someone - if indeed she had.

3. Most school districts have very strict zero tolerance policies regarding weapons, in the aftermath of Columbine. Many state laws were written to address the weapons issue also. It is likely that this particular school district has a policy requiring the police be notified if a kid has a weapon at school. And it is also possible that state law requires that a student in possession of a weapon be removed from school property by law enforcement. Many police depts require ALL persons being detained for any reason to be handcuffed. That policy protects the detainee from self harm. (Remember the kid who was tasered recently in a school? Handcuffs would have prevented tasering in that situation.)

4. Some of you may remember the story recently about the teacher who was supposedly told not to pass out copies of the Declaration of Independence to his students. Within a few days, the details were disclosed and we all learned that this was a fundie teacher using the declaration inappropriately to promote religion in his public school classroom. Please keep this in mind. I doubt we have heard all the nitty gritty details of this scissors story and there is a chance we never will.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:44 PM
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13. She didn't threaten anyone.
The teacher searched everyone's booksbags, and found the scissors, then called the cops.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:48 PM
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15. "The fourth-grader did not threaten anyone"
It's in the article. The scissors were found in her bag when school administrators searched all the children's personal belongings (because something was missing from the teacher's desk).

That being said, these were no school scissors. According to the article they were "8 inch shears."
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:58 PM
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26. She may have threatened a kid last week or last year
or maybe a kid in this district was stabbed by scissors. We really don't know, now do we?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:43 PM
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12. were her evil parents LIBRULS??
this is just sick
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:50 PM
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18. They should have checked her backpack
You all would be amazed at the stuff kids bring to school.

In the past couple years, at my school we have had kids bring:
cigarettes
porn mags
cell phones - far too many to count (and several were stolen)
lots and lots of money - like hundreds of dollars at a time
little baggies drug dealers use
a syringe
various other drug paraphenalia
joints - the kind you smoke
lighters and matches
porn videos
too many video games to count
pagers
Mom's wedding ring

and my favorite backpack item - a student in my room dropped his back pack and it was full of cat food (no, there was no cat in there)
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:53 PM
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22. WHOA, where is that school at?
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:55 PM
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23. Did you say you teach ELEMENTARY School?!
What are kids that age doing with that kind of stuff? When I was in elementary school (30 years ago), none of us would've dreamed of taking any of that shit to school with us; if for no other reason, because our parents would've kicked our asses if we got caught.

Again, I have to ask: :wtf: is happening to my vountry???
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:01 PM
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28. Yes, and it's a good school
We have very few problems.

I hope I have inspired all you parents to check those backpacks your kids are carrying. :)
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:55 PM
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24. I'm sorry but I believe it is wrong for ANYONE to search a child's
property without just caused.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:04 PM
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29. This has been upheld repeatedly in courts
all over the country. YES, school officials DO have the right to inspect backpacks, coats, desks, lockers, anytime they want to.

And if you think this is wrong, think of all the school shootings that would have been prevented if the shooters' backpacks had been checked before they started shooting.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:45 PM
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14. Isolated incident, move along, nothing to see here people.
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Dagaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:50 PM
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17. It started with the gun grabbers
Now anything can be confiscated as "a weapon". Thanks a million Moms :(
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:51 PM
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19. No, it is in response to Columbine
and the school shootings in the late 90s.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:18 PM
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32. Shit,they used to give us a compass that could kill a cow
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:24 PM
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33. Yep. I remember those.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:37 PM
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34. We use plastic ones now
Those metal ones were retired a looong time ago.
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