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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:17 AM
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Poll question: Should the Monkees ever be inducted in to The Rock Hall of fame?
I know they started as a television show, but they eventually became a real band. They seem to have stayed around a lot longer than many of the people who have be inducted. What do you say? Yes or no and why or why not?
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:24 AM
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1. Yes. They did have a hand in bringing many kids to rock'n'roll.
And the guys who wrote their big hits were brilliant. If they do induct The Monkees, I hope they don't do it as a "franchise" (where the actual band members aren't given all the credit).
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:27 AM
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2. Not to be ridiculous,
but the Monkees are to Pop Music what Sandy Koufax was to baseball...

A brief moment of brilliance and fun and then gone....

So yea, they belong....

If you didn't live through the time period you really can;t imagine the impact the Monkees had on Pop rock in the late 60's...

BTW, if the Prentenders can make it in, why not the Monkees


Don't get me wrong, I really like the Prentenders, but they weren't that influential or lasting or even that good, just a cool chick with a snarl in leather with a good turn of words and a knowledge of three cord power rock.....

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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:32 AM
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3. That's not ridiculous in my opinion
They started like any other band except they did it on TV. Not only did they come in to their own, they were great on their show. They kept coming back and coming back and sold out shows even in the 80s.
And to be honest, I think Mike was very influential in the world of music.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:35 AM
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4. He was one of the first people to experiment with Video and
rock...
He never gets any credit for doing that...

I think his song was Called Rio and it was a stunning video back when people were taking wild ideas and just throwing them out and passing it off as "art".....
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:40 AM
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Not only that
He is sometimes considered the pioneer of country rock. Just one listen to "Papa Genes Blues" off the first Monkees album can show where he was at. The was recorded in 1966, well before many other "country rock" artists.
He is a renaissance man of music and he hasn't stopped.
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:40 AM
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5. Mike Nesmith wrote a solo hit for himself called "Joanne", and also wrote
"Different Drum", a big hit for Linda Ronstadt when she was still with the Stone Ponies. Peter Tork was a very gifted musician and played half a dozen instruments. Both Mickey Dolenz and Davey Jones had great voices that presented some of the best late 60's pop to America. Yes, I would say they belong in the Hall of Fame. They may have had cheesy beginnings, but I think they overcame that and really left a lasting mark on popular music. Plus, their TV show was very funny (even won an Emmy) and they starred in one of the strangest movies ever made, the notorious "Head".
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:45 AM
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6. I'm watching the shows right now..lol
I got both seasons on DVD last year and I watch them here and there. They were funny and I really don't get sick of them.
When I was a child (1968 or so) I asked Santa for a bass to be like Peter..lol. Along with only a few people back then, they inspired me to become a musician. I think they should belong in the Rock Hall.
I live 10 minutes from the place and haven't been there. maybe if they get in I might go there...Well, that would be an excuse.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:47 AM
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7. Therock hall has turned into the worlds most
extravegant catering hall...

Been there a few times and, of course, as with almost everything else in Cleveland, they fucked it up......
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:49 AM
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8. Its a joke....
...And I'm talking about the process. They'll put anyone in who is "popular", but others are left out. Its like the Oscars. Its a popularity contest.
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Guitarman Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:03 AM
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34. I would have to say no. Even though,
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:03 AM by Guitarman
Michael Nesmith is truly a gifted musician. Listen to his last studio album, "Tropical Campfires" It is simply awesome,
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:54 AM
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10. I didn't see where you were from
I guess you know what we are like then. They do fuck everything up. I remember playing in this town in the 80s and it wasn't half bad. These days it really sucks and I don't want to do gigs any more. I know I should because the band wants to, but it is such a drag.
I will maybe go to the Rock hall one day, but as you say...it is probably not worth the effort.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:00 AM
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23. I played around a litle in the late 80's...
It was fun, I wan't that good although I hooked up for a time with some really good people...

It was fun, I made my inestment back and have a lot of good memories to sustain me in my waning years......
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:50 AM
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9. Only if the Archies are also included.
I don't care who I piss off. The Monkees are not a REAL band and they suck like a hundred sucking things. Neil Diamond wrote their best songs anyhow.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:55 AM
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11. Really, whats next, the Partridge Family?
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:04 AM
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13. Only David Cassidy was a real musician in the Partridge Family
The rest were actors. The guys in the Monkees had much more of a background. During their first season on the show they set up a place to rehearse as a band and played well together. When they went on their first tour they played live together and sold out every show as a band.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:11 AM
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16. I'm sorry, but it was a television show, in which people came...
...in, and auditioned for acting parts. Yes, they may have actually been able to play their instruments, but it was TV. On TV, elephants fly, horses talk, and Monkees play guitars....
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 03:58 AM
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12. Neil wrote some of their hits
But I like most of the Nesmith's tunes they did. King and Goffen (sp?) wrote a lot of the hits also.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:06 AM
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14. Sorry. They still suck.
Fake bands = teh suxxor.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:08 AM
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15. k
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:02 AM
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25. Boyce and Hart wrote songs as well.....
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:54 AM
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31. They wrote most of the hits
Not only did The Monkees not play their own instruments on their earliest albums, but, with the exception of Mike Nesmith, none of them wrote songs for their earliest albums either. Kirschner chose to use songs written by some of the industry's best songsmiths. The writing team of Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil, the writing team of Carole King and Gerry Goffin, Neil Diamond, and other big name composers wrote songs for The Monkees. By far the most prolific writers of Monkees tunes, however, was the team of Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, two men who could easily be called the fifth and sixth Monkees. Boyce and Hart had been together since the early Sixties and even had a rock group of their own. They would even make their own guest appearances on other Columbia sitcoms: Bewitched, The Flying Nun, and I Dream of Jeannie. Unfortunately, while Boyce and Hart composed the bulk of The Monkees' hits, including "Last Train to Clarksville" and "Valleri," they never had any real success as a rock group on their own. They only had one top 40 hit, "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonite," in 1968. Later they would write songs for the Saturday morning cartoons Scooby Doo, Where Are You? and Josie and the Pussycats.

http://www.cvalley.net/~canote/monkees_1.html

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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:20 AM
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17. While the Monkeys were a phenomenon...
...they didn't pass the test of being an organic rock band.

I simply can't imagine Lennon auditioning for a role in a Beatles sitcom.

No hall of fame for the contrived "Monkeys." (...although I must admit that I never missed a show.)

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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:24 AM
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18. That's how I feel about led Zeppelin
Jimmy Page needed to get a band together to fulfill some Yardbird's contracts and auditioned people to fill in the spots. The difference was, one was a television show contract and one was a tour contract.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:01 AM
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33. Word.
You nailed it, johnnie.

A contract's a contract, an audition's an audition.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:28 AM
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19. YES!
I still have the shirt from their reunion tour. lol! I was born in '77 and even I like the Monkeys. Yes they're corny, but the music was fun.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:45 AM
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20. menudo, new kids on the block, n'sync, etc.
one of these days, these created-by-a-producer bands will all wind up in the hall of fame. sorry, but you know they will.

in that light, how can you pass over the monkees?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 05:47 AM
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21. Those are some of the most disgusting thoughts I've ever heard...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 07:15 AM
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22. I heard Peter, Mickey, & Davey when they were on tour in 1986 and I
thought they were credible performers. They didn't rely on the back-up band, they had pretty good voices, and didn't do the songs like they were tired of hearing them again.

And as a band, the Monkees developed into their own identity. Listen to their later productions like The Porpoise Song and their movie, Head was before its time, almost pre-Monty Python. You can see that they were having their ideas integrated.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:01 AM
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24. No. If Anyone Gets Inducted, It Should Be. . .
. . .Kirshnner, Boyce, and Hart. THEY were the monkees.
The Professor
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:25 AM
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28. I agree
and I was a big fan of The Monkees. But they were actors, not musicians.
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imabadman Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:20 AM
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26. Sure, why not?
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:21 AM
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27. No, if only for the dumb ass TV show...
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Hillary08 Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:28 AM
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29. Yes!
I loved them!
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:48 AM
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30. Sure...why not?
The EAGLES are, ffs... :puke:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:56 AM
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32. Great poll, and FUCK NO!
FUCK YOU, MONKEES!

Although, the market for 'people with no taste' has always been strong in the United States.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:06 AM
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35. I say "yes" but they should induct the songwriters too
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:10 AM by KurtNYC
Hey hey We're the Monkees - Tommy Boyce & Bobby Hart
I'm a Believer - Neil Diamond
Mary Mary - Mike Nesmith (yes, a "Monkee")
She - Boyce & hart
When Love Comes knocking at Your Door - Neil Sedaka
Steppin Stone - Tommy Boyce
Last Train to clarksville - Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart

Note however: Boyce shot himself to death on Nov. 23 (1994) at his Nashville home
...
In the mid-'70s, Boyce & Hart, who had originally been promised places in the band, finally got to be Monkees of a sort when they toured and recorded with Davy Jones and Mickey Dolenz as Jones, Dolenz, Boyce & Hart.


http://www.stagemom.com/djbh/remember.html

edit: more song credits

The Monkees
1 (Theme From) The Monkees Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
2 Saturday's Child David Gates
3 I Wanna Be Free Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
4 Tomorrow's Gonna Be Another Day Tommy Boyce and Steve Venet
5 Papa Gene's Blues Michael Nesmith
6 Take A Giant Step Gerry Goffin and Carole King
7 Last Train To Clarksville Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
8 This Just Doesn't Seem To Be My Day Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
9 Let's Dance On Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
10 I'll Be True To You Gerry Goffin and Russ Titelman
11 Sweet Young Thing Gerry Goffin, Carole King and Michael Nesmith
12 Gonna Buy Me A Dog Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart

More of The Monkees
1 She Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
2 When Loves Comes Knocking (At Your Door) Neil Sedaka and Carole Bayer
3 Mary, Mary Michael Nesmith
4 Hold On Girl Ben Raleigh, Billy Carr, & Jack Keller
5 Your Auntie Grizelda Diane Hilderbrand and Jack Keller
6 (I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart
7 Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow) Neil Diamond
8 The Kind of Girl I Could Love Roger Atkins and Michael Nesmith
9 The Day We Fall In Love Sandy Linzer and Denny Randell
10 Sometime In The Morning Gerry Goffin and Carole King
11 Laugh Philip Margo, Mitchell Margo, Henry Medress and Jay Siegel
12 I'm A Believer Neil Diamond

http://prescott.imbri.com/music/composition/influences/monkees/index.shtml
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Joe Power Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:18 AM
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36. Not until Patti Smith is in
In fact, NO ONE else should be allowed in until she's inducted.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:21 AM
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37. Hey Hey are you crazy?
Monkees sucked. I did have monkee shoes though, but I can't stand to listen to their music anymore. I can still listen to other old time rock-n-roll.
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