New Star Trek series, what do YOU want in it?

* Set in the 25th century

* No Berman, Pillar, Taylor involvement - get rid of them!

* Keep the person who does the casting - forgot her name but she does a reasonable good job

* Make the show socially relevant from a progressive point of view but WITHOUT being preachy or deliberately one-sided (ala TOS, Kirk's era). Let the story be told and let the viewer decide who they want. Preachiness will do our cause no good and might cause people to do the opposite. (That's where TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise fail miserably. Too preachy, which is the antithesis of tolerance.)

* Keep the Romulans as enemies and make them like the republicans.

* Keep Klingon involvement on the sidelines; TNG and DS9 wore the Klingon race down into the ground, Worf especially. They became sappy cliches of themselves.

* Throw out the idea that "Enterprise" and the TNG movies are canon!!!!! Especially 'Nemesis' where the Romulans turn into the good guys for no reason whatsoever. Tangent alert...

* No more Borg; let the Voyager finale be the "Borg series finale". They are overrated and are the antithesis to good drama anyway!

* Make it a quality-written, in focus miniseries rather than a season's worth of ideas just slopped out.

What other ideas might make a new Trek series, though most of us agree that a 10 year hiatus might be the best thing for it.

There was (is) a rumor that a new series is in pre-pre-pre-production that Berman will only have an executive producer's role in (he won't be writing it)

It will center on Captain William Riker on the Starship Titan.

Though honestly give Enterprise another chance next season. Berman's job is on the line now.

Well, at least we'd see what the Titan looks like, though I bet it'll look something like the Enterprise... :eyes:

He shouldn't be involved at all.

But Riker... he is an underused character who was Kirk-like in the TNG TV series. It might work, if fresh people develop it instead of the same-old stale bunch.

Commander Shelby (remember her?) as first officer.

Imagine the tension!

Id love a captain who reminds me abit of Kirk.. janeway an dpicard looks like they are from a pc factory..

Kirk was just so human.. he became a extreme racist against klingons after they killed his son.. and he kicked a klingon down a mountain by smashing his head in etc.. Kirk was HUMAN.. not a PC cliche

Id LOVE to see alec baldwin or pierce brosman as this captain.

I want the timeline to be JUST after the 6th star trek movie thats in hmm 2275 or so when the klingons were still the enemy but maybe just maybe theres hope for a undiscovered country of peace.

I want alot of politics and dialogue.

i LOVED and this is serious i LOVED the movies 1-6 because they had such extreme character development, and put together they had everything.. who can forget when they stole enterprise.. risking their careers for their friend.. and kirk blowing it up. Stuff like this..

I want the new series to really have asgood character development and a good put together story that makes all episodes relevant.

And please no crap episodes like their alien doctor studies humans etc

Imagine a episode where this new ship is set out to investigate the klingon moon that exploded in st6, or maybe they set out to investigate this nexus where kirk died.. they have TONS of stuff to build episodes on

Well, Brosnan would make an interesting choice, but as he seems to allow himself to play Bond as a washed-out Moore wannabe (doesn't he care what his films will be thought of 20 years from now?), I'm hesitant.

I was also hesitant on Bakula, who did a good job in Quantum Leap. In "Enterprise", either he or the character he's told to play is totally pathetic.

I agree with you on the Kirk era totally and utterly. Especially the movies. The introduction of Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer saved Trek completely from the brash bland blah "The Motion Picture" which was a cool generic sci-fi piece, but hardly of Trek calibre. But it's nice to know some Kirk fans are still around (though I personally don't care for Shatner himself much...)

There was a rumor that Sulu would have had his own TV series after Trek 6. It's a bit late to do it now, :grr:, but it would have been better than DS9 or Voyager. Of course, then I saw "Flashback" (Sulu ep of Voyager where they F up continuity so bad that I wanted Berman to be fired.) I refuse to consider that episode as being canon, it just cheapens the memory of Trek 6.

I haven't seen much of Enterprise to make a total commentary, but what I did see truly stunk. There's an ep where they save an outpost from maurauding Klingons. Despite having vastly superior firepower and strength, what do the Klingons do at the end? Huff, shrug their shoulders, and gruffly say they can get their technobabble compound anywhere else. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: Again, Berman must go and go NOW! :D It's just awful, unrealistic stuff.

There was this episode where the ships doctor who is an alien went around and studied humans for the entire episode.. i wanted to throw up.. you could hear him thinking stuff like..

"Humans are interesting, they care for eachother and are nice etc etc etc etc"

I could :puke:

...Bakula is a damn good actor.

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One who's a real hard a**. One who makes the crew work like dogs. One who's crew is always "this" close to mutiny.

Focus the show on the crew, not the Captain. Maybe on the First Officer, trying to find a way to bridge the crew/Captain gap.

But also have the ship, and it's crew, be the first the Federation sends into the fray when trouble brews, because the Captain knows how to make a ship fight. He's not there to be popular. He's there to do a job, and bring the crew home. In that order.

I'm tired of Federation ships that are more like a Carnival Cruise. I'm tired of Federation happy/feel good shlock. When a fist fight breaks out I don't what that to be some Characters defining moment. I want that to be what's done before breakfast. I want a ship that takes damage and keeps it's scars. In episode seven I want to see an external shot of the ship and say to myself "Hey self! That scortchmark must be the repairs of the damage from episode two!"

I want a gritty, face punching, sweatdripping, monster wrestling, shooting now and don't bother me with questions, nitrous burning starship of a show. I want major characters who DIE, so the next time a commercial ends with some Andorian holding a pistol to someones head you REALLY WON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!.

I want some alien creature to say "Ow! Why'd you DO that?" and some crew member to growl back "Because I'm a Human. Get used to it."

And no pajamas. I want them wearing shirts and pants, and when conditions warrant I want them in functional looking spacesuits. I don't want them drinking tea. Have them drinking beer and swilling whiskey from a bottle. Why have they never produced beer from a replicator? That would HAVE to be any self respecting ships crews first duty! "Dam**t Scotty! We need more Pabst!"

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oh heck

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Kill them! Kill them ALL! Dump them out the airlock and let infinite space take their names. We've got a Federation to build!

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Sorry, got a little carried away there.

Well i agree with the NO pyjamas but Check out the uniforms from the movies 2-6 like wrath of kahn no PJ there real uniforms.. however i doubt theyre allowed to drink beer while on duty :)

sorry, posted twice somehow.

from a different perspective.

So we see things in a different way.

Alien perspectives, future perspectives and so on.

Not just the same kind of shows as all the others, only with actors in funny costumes.

That perspective is what I liked about the original.

Not the derring-do, or the sex, or the costumes....the ideas presented.

I would like see a show that features an ensign, preferably an alien, as the main character.

I would like to see the main female characters, which could include the ensign, wear appropriate uniforms (no more catsuits)!

I would like to see strong, intelligent, and interesting male and female characters.

I would like to see a gay or a lesbian character. I would like this person to be a gay or lesbian from the very first episode instead of changing their character's sexual orientation halfway through the show (i.e. "Buffy").

Finally, I would like a darker and more complex captain. Instead of the warm and fuzzy captains from previous shows, I want this captain to be a little scary and unpredictable. The captain should still care about the crew but may not always show it.

Creator of Babylon 5.

He has proven he can deliver a better show than the last three/four ST incarnations.

an idea.

yesyesyes! :bounce:

After the treatment Paramount gave him when he peddled B5 to them in 87. But then again, he once said he never thought he'd be writing movies based on comic books, or writing Spider-Man...or making a fifth season of Babylon 5.
So I guess anything's possible. I would personally love to see what JMS would do with Star Trek. Probably blow up the earth or something. He loves shaking up things, and Star Trek's problem is that at the end of each episode, they press the giant "Reset" button, and everything in the universe is the same as when the episode started.

Blowing up Earth could only be done once, so the thought behind it had better be a good one!

"Enterprise" did feature an episode where Archer went to 31st century Earth where Earth was decimated... but not destroyed. Part of some time travel scheme which came about because he wasn't involved in something, what else is new... I didn't watch the whole thing, but we all know that the 31st century was saved because of him, no doubt. :eyes:

With TOS, the big reset button excuse works - innocent, naive, and deliciously idealistic 60s television. One can forgive the sometimes poor science for the same reasons.

But in Nemesis and plenty of other Treks where they hit the reset button or do space stunts which are clearly impossible (and then in some other episode of the franchise does T'Pol say that the laws of physics prevent whatever from happening), it just can't be believed. It makes the 60s stories look that much better.

But JMS would liven things up - which the franchise so desperately needs.

One thing about Babylon 5 that I absolutely loved was the feeling of "oh shit they're actually doing this!!!". Like when the station broke away from the Earth Alliance. Doing things that change the entire dynamic of the show takes guts and the writers of Star Trek are cautioned not to do such a thing because it "upsets the fan base".
No shit. I believe that rule is actually in the Star Trek Writer's Bible. (If it isn't, I'll eat my shoes...no, wait! That's been done to death.)
I mean, Star Trek: TNG did one thing that should have shook up their universe: they destroyed the Enterprise-D. But they did it in a movie, so we didn't get to see the aftermath. Suddenly, a few years later, First Contact comes out, and surprise, they've got a bright, shiny, new ship. And the entire crew was together again. Yeesh.
I believe the entire problem with Star Trek lately can be pinned down on continuity. You mentioned it here, and I quite agree. They need to be consistent, and they simply are not.
Sheesh, can I ramble on when someone brings up Babylon 5!
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on the Romulans. And they can't get blood donations from Klingons. And Vulcans know what mindmelds are and the 7 year cycle be a real threat again. And Klingons are aggressive, not senselessly violent.

But most of all, Humans stop acting like therapists in spaaaaaaace. Gad, if I was an alien in the current Star Trek universe, I'd band with the other aliens and wipe out the Humans on the grounds that Earth is full of annoying ponces.

I couldn't stand that. How the heck does a Klingon have more compatible blood rhubarbs (whatever the technobabble term of the week was) than a Vulcan; the latter being a rather closer species to a Romulan!!!!! ARGH!!! People call that story a classic (the Geordi/Romulan scenes are admittedly good), but they are not keen to remember why the second storyline is such crap.

And "Enterprise" has ruined the magic and mystery of the Vulcans, it's just sad. And that AIDS parallel episode was just beyond pathetic. And extremely contrived.

The Klingons, who otherwise give up too easily at the end of the stories, are otherwise passable though I'd prefer the TOS look. The Klingons of TOS did describe themselves as being hunters and warriors. Some continuity has been maintained, fortunately. Not that I would give "Enterprise" any credit, as the series makes a terrible mess and a mockery of everything else in the franchise.

"therapists in spaaaaaace". LOL!!!! And half the time, there was no need for Troi apart to state the absolute obvious... ugh. "He's anxious, captain". "He's very angry, captain". "He hasn't had sex in ten years, captain." Good grief, didn't the dialogue and facial expression of the entity Troi was analyzing speak for themselves?! :eyes:

People act like Star Trek went down hill after TNG, but TNG was consistently sucky. The show deserves the undying hatred of fans for introducing the holodeck. And then they botched every alien species they came across. And the misogyny! Gad-o-matic! Kirk & Co. were sexist pigs, but the show was at least ahead of its time. TNG was all against sexism when men were being repressed, but if women were treated like slaves or unworthy to be seen in public, that was just a cultural difference the crew was expected to celebrate.

And the entire command staff, except for Data, needed those 2x4s removed from their rectums.

I'd better stop, because I can keep going from here to Antares.

One of the reasons TNG was so good was because it was one of the few TV series that allowed non-contracted writers and unsolicited scripts.

The powers-that-be put an end to the practice afer a few writers began complaining their ideas were being used uncredited.

The policy stood through DS9, Voyagerm and Enterprise.

But now they will begin allowing unsolicited scripts again.

Really?!?!?!?!? Don't toy with me now, I couldn't bear it!!!!!!! x(

Be still my heart!!!! :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

... While "Nemesis" was being filmed (And I don't care what other DU trekkers say - damn good movie) they called the model effects folks back in to design Riker's ship "Titan." It was to set up a potential new series with Riker as captain.

The scene was cut, though, but that hasn't squashed the rumors.

and for god sake...NOT ANOTHER ROCK BALLAD (Enterprise).

Go with classical (as usual) or maybe something electonic.

There's so much there. A powerful anti-war message. Xenophobia. "Allies" vulnerable to suspician.

Plus, big big starships get to blast one another.

Romulan Wars.

<ducks>

People love (or hate) to talk about Treks's demise. But Star Wars? Ugh!

It took Trek 6 series and 10 movies. Starwars accomplished it in 5 movies.

(apologies to Berke Breathed and the entire "Bloom County" cast)

...lately.

And it's gotta be human, too........I have some standards....

They complained about 7 of 9 and now T'pol (even though they're completely covered.)

On Enterprise, they often wear Starfleet standard underwear - which my wife loves.

But it would stand to reason that in the socialized trek future, there is less sexual repression.

but I sure used to wonder what kind of Starfleet standard underwear Lieutenant Uhuru was wearing....... :o

In fact, my major problem with the Star Trek franchise is that the crew members have been mostly reduced to politically correct automatons. Even Spock emoted more than they do. The remaining characters (like that goof doing the bad Tommy Lee Jones impersonation on Enterprise) are just plain two-dimensional.

The coldness of these people removes any sex appeal they might otherwise have.

They need to inject a little more erotica into the show, but more than that they just need to have more real characters with more real feelings.

Isn't Topol getting along in years, though? He was great in "Fiddler On The Roof."

still looks great in a catsuit!

Vorlons, Shadows, hell, even the Tiki Torch guys, you know, the ones that the Vorlons owe money too.

You have always been here.

Not the One.

Featuring the Romulans.

Also, written more like the original series, with more emphasis on plot.

TNG was too many damn gadgets and creatures.

and JMS as script writer.

Hire only people who can act, dont bother to see what they look like that only leads to disasters like the last 2 series.

"I've got a fever! And the only prescription...is more cowbell!"