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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 09:55 PM
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My son was stabbed at in school with a pencil
Edited on Tue Feb-22-05 10:18 PM by bleedingheart
Left a scrape mark on him but he is okay. The teacher called me immediately and told me that the offending child will be dealt with and wanted me to know what had happened so that I could talk it over with my son when he got home from school...

Why did the kid stab at my kid...? Because my son said he didn't like the sonic video game...

What kind of child stabs a classmate over something so stupid....

Knowing that he is okay....I am okay ...but what if the kid had stabbed him and made a more significant impact? I know I am going to have nightmares over this.

The worst part for me is that my son has Asperger's and he actually is dealing with it well because his lack of social skills makes him unable to really comprehend what happened other then the fact that he cried when it occurred because it hurt.

edit: the wound is on my son's chest...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:01 PM
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1. Oh, sweetie, I am sooo sorry.
Give him a big hug from me. :loveya:

Your school sounds like a good school. When my son was in kindergarten, four boys jumped him, beat him, called him "mother fucker," took off his shoes and threw them across the playground, and stomped his glasses.

I didn't find out about it until he got home and didn't have his glasses on. Even though he went to his teacher about it, she did nothing.

When I went to talk to her about it, she told me that "boys will be boys" and she can't patrol the playground all of the time looking for kids who say bad words to punish them.

:grr:

So be glad that your son has a good teacher. I hope the kid who hurt your son will be suspended for a couple of days.

:hug:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:04 PM
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2. that is horrible that the teacher did nothing
I am sorry...the "boys will be boys" speech is for the birds.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:08 PM
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5. Oh, and they've told me that my son has "only child syndrome"
That any time he has misbehaved, it must be because he is an only child.

(He only got in trouble once, and that's because he kicked a kid in the nuts who called him faggot over and over. He told me, "Mom, I just couldn't take it any more.")

This is a small, mostly Republican, hillbilly rural school, so I wouldn't expect anything better. That's why I'm homeschooling my kiddo now.

Again, hugs to your son. Tell him his Aunt Maddy hopes he feels better soon and hopes that that little bully doesn't mess with him ever again. :loveya:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:14 PM
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9. thanks...I have been hugging him as much as I can ...
thanks again!
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:27 PM
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20. I had decided against homeschooling
But after reading your post and the OP's, I think I may reconsider :scared: That your son's teacher did nothing is outrageous.
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Guy Fawkes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:07 PM
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3. My freshman year I was stabbed with a pen...
in the leg. I believe it was for being a "f*cking F*ggot" or something like that. (I'm not even out yet!) Anyway, the pen stuck in my leg... I pulled it out and wiped it off- then I handed it back. That guy hasn't touched me since.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:07 PM
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4. You personally can't do anything to the offender
You personally can't do anything to the offender other than checking in on what the teacher/principal did for punishment. I work in a school and am going to college to be a teacher. The key is to find out what the intent was. If it was "we were just messing around" type thing then that is ok for the most part since no one was seriously hurt.

If the intent was more on the line of "I hate you and want to really hurt you" then you need to make sure that the issue behind the action is dealt with in a positive manner. If this is the case and the way the school dealt with the offender is not up to your expectation then you should tell them that you are not satisfied.

However, working with kids, it is way more likely that is was more of a messing around type thing and luckily no one got seriously hurt.

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:12 PM
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7. I know that the school will follow through with the rules...
this was a malicious act on the side of the child who did it. The children were working on a class project when it occurred, so it wasn't a "messing around" situation. Apparently they were having a discussion during the project and the kid stabbed at my son when he disagreed with my child's opinion.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:20 PM
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13. I hope he gets the help he needs
I hope the school has the offender talk with a Pyschiatrist. In the district I work at in Iowa, each school as a Pyschiatrist there at least every other day. Not sure what grade your son is in, but for the offender this needs to be worked out before it becomes a bigger problem.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:21 PM
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15. I agree and I know that this kid will be dealt with
appropriately.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:24 PM
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18. Wrong. She can press assault charges.
I don't know what kind of school you work at, but, believe me, she can press assault charges if she wishes. That's why juvenile court systems exist...to handle situations like this.

And this was a malicious act.

The school is not above or beyond the law. Neither are the students.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:10 PM
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6. Yikes!
I am glad that your son is okay. However, I can't help but worry about the "stabber." Without some kind of intervention - what will he do in anger when there is more at hand than a pencil? Sounds like something awful waiting to happen in the future.

Per the wound itself... back in middle school I told a very, very corny joke. "Cute" guy next to me said sarcastically... "Gee, that's a knee slapper" while slapping my knee, while holding a pencil. And accidentally, to the side of my knee cap went a pencil tip (graphite.) It is still there. No problem. Well, except for the time I was hired by the local parks department to supervise a summer park (day camp) program in partnership with the U who provided work studies students - who worked under me. When for one week, the knee-slapping offender, was placed under my supervision... the incident - and the still in the knee evidence of the event - was brought up... and made him squirm (in a joking way, of course).
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:13 PM
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8. yeah that is what I am wondering.....
if a child overreacts like this, it isn't healthy...

by the way my son was stabbed in the chest area...luckily the pencil didn't penetrate but it left a 1/2" scratch.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:15 PM
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10. Wha....?
I was assuming he was stabbed in the hand. In the chest???????

OMG. That could have been REALLY bad. Thank god your kid's alright. I hope that bully gets suspended for a LOOOONG time. If there have been any previous offenses, maybe they will have to send him to the alternative school.

Great big hugs to both of you. What a terrifying thing to go through. :hug:
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:17 PM
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11. oh yeah....that is what really set me off when I picked him up...
this scratch is about 4" below his neck...in the middle of his chest...
that is why I know I will be having nightmares tonight...
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:20 PM
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12. Damn. What a traumatic thing to go through.
Again, I'm sending hugs and wishes of peace to both of you. I can't imagine how scary this is for you.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:23 PM
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16. THAT is frightening
in the chest... that is so very violating. Sorry for telling my light hearted pencil in the knee story - there is no comparison... I am glad that his nature is such that his concern was the pain - not the fear tied to the intent of the assault (per being stabbed in the chest.) Hugs to you, Mom.... I would bet that you are taking on some of the emotions for him.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:26 PM
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19. yeah...that is the worst part...his lack of understanding is making
me feel even worse.

I talked to him about it but he is so unaware that he is misinterpreting my questions as if it is some sort of quiz on whether or not he did something wrong/right. That is why I am composing a letter to the teacher and why I am going to call my son's therapist in the morning to discuss the issue further....
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:29 PM
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21. Don't know if you want advice...
but I would make it crystal clear in the letter that I do not want the offender near my child. And make sure you cc the letter to the principal, the superintendent, and the school board.

Best wishes. Please keep us updated...or at least keep me updated through PM. After facing similar difficulties with my child, I have a huge interest in situations like this.

Your son deserves to feel safe at school.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:33 PM
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22. that is what I am doing now...
and I will keep you posted...

thanks again for the support!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:58 PM
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26. I echo Maddy
it is important that he feels safe at school - and that you feel confident that he is safe at school.

I grew up with a young man who is autistic. Thanks to his mother (a family friend) who fought for his right to an education even before special education was common and mainstreaming was a goal - he graduated from high school and college. He got a fed. job in the computer field and has been living independently for nearly 10 years. However, his Mom's biggest fear is that he doesn't know when he should be wary of people. Over the years he has learned when to talk with close friends and family about situations that may or may not be normal (or worthy of wariness) and through those conversations has achieved a sort of (vicarious) wariness that keeps him safe and gives her ease of mind that he will be okay even when she is no longer nearby (100 miles) and able to step in when needed.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:03 PM
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29. He feels safe at school and to be honest his lack of social awareness
keeps him from being afraid...

My son is currently getting therapy a few days a week for his condition and in fact I am going to have his therapist discuss it with him and the scenario so that he can learn from it...

I tried to discuss it with him today but he was misinterpreting my questions and I am very sick right now with a cold/flu so the medicine was making me dopey and I didn't want him to get frustrated with me.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:09 PM
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30. sounds like a sound approach.
chose when and how to try to raise his awareness. While aspbergers (sp) is less severe than autism, my family friend has learned a great deal over the last several dedcades with her son. Steps backwards - but many steps forward. I don't know how up she is for sharing the lessons that she has learned, but she has helped her son be very independent, self-sufficient, and safe. Let me know if you are interested (pm me) and I can try to open communication between the two of you.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:15 PM
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32. thanks for the offer
however I am very fortunate in that I meet with the parents of both autistic and aspergers afflicted kids....and our next meeting is coming up so I should be able to get some info from them....but I will keep your offer in mind if I don't get any feedback.

I think it is great that your friend was able to get her son the help he needed to be a productive member of the community and live independently...that is a great achievement!!!!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:21 PM
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34. It has been quite an achievement
for she, her family and her son. Given that he was going through the school system more than 30 years ago - when awareness of what autistic children could be capable of achieving - her accomplishments are even more impressive. In her quest to learn how to best advocate (in the schools) for her son, she ended up getting a masters degree in Special Education and working to modernaize special education in one area school district. She is quite an amazing (and inspirational) woman.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:45 PM
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24. I'm so sorry that this happened to your son and to you.
The physical attack is bad enough, but it also hurts when you think that this is also an attack on your child's innocence. Children with Asperger's are often not aware that other people can be so malicious.

It sounds like your son's school is trying to handle this in the best way. That other child has a problem, obviously, and intervention will be needed to get him straightened out.

It sounds like you are doing everything possible to advocate for your son.

Good luck.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:21 PM
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14. Call the police and get the kid sent to juvy.
Seriously, that is FUCKED UP.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:24 PM
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17. Yikes!
I'm glad your son is okay. My kids aren't school aged yet. I can't even imagine how terrified you must feel.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:36 PM
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23. Two things
1) I hope the kid who hurt yours is busted good. Kids used to do that to me in school because I was such an easy target (and I used to cry when I got hurt), so I speak from experience. I always used to wish that those creeps would get theirs. So make sure that justice is swift.

2) Your son has good taste in video games--Sonic sucks. :7
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 10:57 PM
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25. That's awful! How old are these children?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:01 PM
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27. they are in elementary school
around 9 years of age...
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:01 PM
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28. If the assailant is over 12...
Let the school do what they want, but you call the local LE agency and file a criminal complaint on behalf of your son. What if the dipstick had had a knife?

If like WV, he will get probation or residential treatment, not likely junior jail time.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:11 PM
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31. I was stabbed in the foot with a pencil when I was 12.
I had put my feet on the perpetrator's seat of his desk in front of me. Instead of politely asking me to remove my feet, he stabbed me with his pencil! OUCH!

I still have a visible scar and the grey lead in my foot! And, this happened in 1961!

Argh! And, this guy wanted to become a Catholic priest! Gee, I wonder what became of him.

:dunce:
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:20 PM
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33. oh my!
That is just terrible. I don't even know what to say.
:hug:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:21 PM
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35. That's nuts
It seems as though many kids aren't learning simple things like good behavior. What the hell is wrong with those parents? Don't they teach their kids anything? I remember learning from a pretty early age that you don't hit others.

We live in a very violent society. I suppose it shouldn't surprise us given who the president is. It reflects upon it.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:39 PM
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36. Sorry what happened. I hope he is okay.
That happened with me when I was in elementary school. A boy kept messing with me or something, I don't remember. So I stabbed him with my pencil. It was in his hand. I believe I apologized to him and I think I got in trouble with the teacher...I don't remember what I had to do. I do remember after that incident, he didn't bother me anymore.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:44 PM
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37. I got stabbed with a pencil breaking up a fight between two kids...
I am so sorry this happened to your son. I hope the kid who did it is in line for some heavy-duty counseling.
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-05 11:50 PM
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38. Thats REALLY scary.
Especially since I see you posted it was on his chest.

My heart breaks for you- I work with children & have had 3 boys with Asperger's in the last 5 years. I'm always so touched by the children that take the time to include the boys & are so caring with them. But, there have been problems from time to time - We had a big problem with a boy who kept doing mean things to one of the boys for no reason. This kid was brutally mean to everyone, but especially the child who had aspbergers. No rhyme or reason to it. I think he was jealous that everyone liked the other boy so much.

I do hope the childs parents were talked to. And that he had a chat with the principal (how old is he?). He needs to know the difference between right & wrong. Violent behavior like that is NOT normal... & in many cases is a sign of other problems.

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3rdParty Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:39 AM
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39. But a more serious question.....
why doesn't he like the sonic video game???
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:43 AM
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40. I was actually stabbed by a pencil in Jr High
Got in a bit a cat fight or disagreement with a girl and it involved a pencil (what it was about I do not know but something pretty minor and stupid) anyway I still have the mark (I'm 28yo now)on my left hand where the pencil broke off in me.

Kids just not knowing how to deal with one another.

I know your is a differnet situation I wish you the best.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:47 AM
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41. I am so sorry.
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 09:47 AM by Ilsa
My son has PDD-NOS, and I worry about others attacking him and then him lashing back. I'm afraid he'll get into trouble and not be able to verbally explain his position when he was only protecting himself. He's big for his age too, with a high tolerance for pain, so I don't think he'll be the one left on the ground.

I hope your son feels better son and that everything works out. Hugs to you.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 09:55 AM
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42. We're going through something similar.
My 7 year old son is being bullied at school.
Two weeks ago he was pushed down on the playground. His head hit the concrete with such force that he got whiplash. Really. The school called in an RN to evaluate him for a concussion.

It's the same little hockey playing sh*t that bullies him everyday. Kicking, punching, etc.

The Principal has intervened and things are better, but if he so much as looks at my sweet, gentle little boy the wrong way I'm going to have a "chat" with his freeper mom.

What is wrong with parents?
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