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bozeman Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:04 PM
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Opinions on Mark Twain?
I finally read a Twain book. It's amazing I made it through college and never had to read one, even in high school. I had to read 'The Scarlet Letter', which I hated, but oddly no Twain.

I read 'Roughing It' his true story of his youthful adventures in the American West. He went in 1861, before there was even a railroad. He was a miner, a journalist, and finally a lecturer. He spent seven years rambling around. He starts in St. Louis and ends up in Hawaii.

Twain really captures the flavor of that period of time. He has a way of writing that is both deep and at times very funny. I really dig it.

I'm going to read 'Huck Finn' next.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:05 PM
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1. definitely read huck finn
it's a great book. twain is an awesome author.
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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:06 PM
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2. I haven't read anything in a while
but I hated his writing in dialect.
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:06 PM
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3. Really the first
true satirist.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:08 PM
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5. Voltaire? Wilde?
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:10 PM
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7. Voltaire
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 11:10 PM by Blue_State_Elitist
Wilde... pffft, they're nobodys. Yeah you got me.


But he was a damn good satirist, not matched very often in recent times.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:12 PM
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9. I know
I'm just playing the literary snob ;)
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:14 PM
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11. Twain was the first true American satirist
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:24 PM
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13. Voltaire yes, Wilde no
Wilde was actually slightly after Twain, though they were more or less contemporaries.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:07 PM
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4. Read Tom Sawyer first,
then Huckleberry.

It's not as good a book, but it sets the scene, gives you the background for Huck Finn.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:08 PM
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6. After you're done reading Twain
and I mean ALL of Twain including his autobiography (you won't regret it), THEN you may graduate to Ambrose Bierce.

But not until you're done with all of Twain's works.

Trust me on this. Do it in that order, and you'll be the richer for the experience.

Redstone
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:11 PM
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8. Very deep, funny and dark : Letters From the Earth
I believe it was published after his death and was probably not meant for publication. Get a bit more of his stuff under your belt before you pick this one up. Don't read it if you are feeling fragile. He was a man who could mince words and mince society with words.
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:22 PM
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12. My favorite thing that he ever wrote. nt
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:13 PM
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10. While I love Twain's books
You should read some of his essays. He does not hold back! He blasts American imperialism, religious hypocrites, he sticks up for human rights-most of the stuff he wrote at the close of the 19th/early 20th century is extremely timely today.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:38 PM
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14. My Favorite Twain Quote
"If I knew the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd move to Kentucky, because they are ten years behind!"

I can say that, too, because I used to live in Kentucky!! LOL
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:28 AM
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15. Twain is my adopted spiritual grandfather.
I love his writing to death. And it never grows old in my ear.

Norman Mailer called HUCKLEBERRY FINN " a circus of fictional virtuosities. "

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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 03:54 AM
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16. Twain Is Wonderful
I thnk "Letters From The Earth" is my favorite, tied with "Huck Finn," which is still a powerfully moving (and funny) book. Read it, and you'll know why it is still so feared is not because of the language, but because of the clear message about what it means to the right and courageous thing and the surprising beauty and strength that can be found in the most unlikely people. The only piece of Twain's writing that is to be avoided like the plague is his St Joan, which suffers from his infatuation with his subject.

I agree with the poster who rcommended Bierce, and I also recommend George Bernard Shaw. One of my favorites is "Androcles and the Lion," including the preface and afterword, or perhaps especially the preface and afterword. Unlike Twain's Joan, Shaw's St Joan is a masterwork, and as with all his plays, the preface and afterword are as fascinating as the play itself. One critic said that to have not read Shaw is to be as far behind the times as he was ahead of them, and I would amend that to include Twain; as different as these two mean were, they had much in common in how they viewed the world and how they would heal it.
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suigeneris Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:10 AM
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17. Twain was a political genius. A progressive giant before his time.
One of the greatest things he ever wrote, which chills me to the bone every time I read it is the War Prayer:

The War Prayer
by Mark Twain
It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came -- next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams -- visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender! Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation


*God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest! Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!*
Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory --

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, "Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside -- which the startled minister did -- and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

"I come from the Throne -- bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import -- that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of -- except he pause and think.

"God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two -- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant's prayer -- the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it -- that part which the pastor -- and also you in your hearts -- fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. the *whole* of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory--*must* follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(*After a pause.*) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!"

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:32 AM
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18. He was brilliant.
Of course, I can be a bit biased, since I live in MO. But I still say incredible.
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