Freeper--"Majority of Liberals should be shot."

To: Archangelsk
Angel,

I've worn the uniform and my son is currently in the military, and while 1500 deaths are very regretable, did you forget 9-11? This country is in a war, not of our own making. Let's not get into whether the sadman was operational in 9-11, or merely complicit. Besides, this article was about kidney blommer and social security {and the left did predict 10's of thousands of body bags}. The majority on the left is anti-American, is not patriotic and should be tried for treason, convicted and shot. I volunteer either for execution duty or burial duty {I'm too biased/honest to be a judge or the member of the jury}.



17 posted on 03/05/2005 9:19:14 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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There's really nothing else to say. He is utterly ignorant of who I, a liberal American patriot, am.

USS Alaska is a fucking idiot suffering from diarrhea of the mouth.

How dare he presume to know what the majority "on the left" think. How dare he presume to judge my patriotism or yours.

and USS Alaska is an ignorant motherfather if he thinks soldiers are there fighting for freedom.

They are there to steal the oil and water. Period.

I can't imagine how painful that must be for you.

but I do believe that your son died for me and for my freedom and I am forever greatful to him and to your family. The fact that the motives of politicians and their chosen generals are not pure, does not for a minute reflect on the men who fight and die for their country. Please accept my sorrow for your loss and for our loss.

Unless you define freedom as Freedom for Haliburton to steal billions of dollars in bribes to take Iraq's oil and Freedom for Israel to steal Iraq's water!

I certainly don't believe Bush's or Cheney's or Rumsfeld's motives are pure. They are dishonest and driven by greed. I just don't think their lies reflect on the kids who are in combat.

:hug:

From Casey's Peace Page - a letter from another mother....


AN OPEN LETTER TO GEORGE BUSH

November 4, 2004

Dear George,

You don’t mind if I call you George do you? When you sent me a letter offering your condolences on the death of my son, Spc. Casey Austin Sheehan, in the illegal and unjust war on Iraq, you called me Cindy, so I naturally assume we are on a first name basis.

George, it has been seven months today since your reckless and wanton foreign policies killed my son, my big boy, my hero, my best-friend: Casey. It has been seven months since your ignorant and arrogant lack of planning for the peace murdered my oldest child. It has been two days since your dishonest campaign stole another election…but you all were way more subtle this time than in 2000, weren’t you? You hardly had to get the Supreme Court of the United States involved at all this week.

You feel so proud of yourself for betraying the country again, don’t you? You think you are very clever because you pulled the wool over the eyes of some of the people again. You think that you have some mandate from God…that you can “spend your political capital” any way that you want. George you don’t care or even realize that 56,000,000 plus citizens of this country voted against you and your agenda. Still, you are going to continue your ruthless work of being a divider and not a uniter. George, in 2000 when you stole that election and the Democrats gave up, I gave up too. I had the most ironic thought of my life then: "Oh well, how much damage can he do in four years?" Well, now I know how much you have damaged my family, this country, and this world. If you think I am going to allow you another four years to do even more damage, then you truly are mistaken. I will fight for a true vote count and if that fails, your impeachment. Also, the impeachment of your Vice President. The only thing is, I'm not politically savvy, and I don't have a Karl Rove to plan my strategy, but I do have a big mouth and a righteous cause, which still mean something in this country, I hope.

All of this lying, fooling, and betraying must be “hard work” George. You really think you know what hard work is?

George, let me tell you what “hard work” really is.

Hard work is seeing your oldest son, your brave and honorable man-child go off to a war that had, and still has, no basis in reality. Hard work is worrying yourself gray and not being able to sleep for 2 weeks because you don’t know if your child is safe.

Hard work is seeing your son’s murder on CNN one Sunday evening while you’re enjoying the last supper you’ll ever truly enjoy again.

Hard work is having three military officers come to your house a few hours later to confirm the aforementioned murder of your son…your first born…your kind and gentle sweet baby.

Hard work is burying your child 46 days before his 25th birthday. Hard work is holding your other three children as they lower the body of their big “baba” into the ground. Hard work is not jumping in the grave with him and having the earth cover you both.

But, Dear George, do you know what the hardest work of all is? Trying to digest the fact that the leader of the country that your family has fought for and died for, for generations, lied to you and betrayed your dear boy’s sense of honor and exploited his courage and exploited his loyalty to his buddies. Hard work is having your country abandon you after they killed your son. Hard work is coming to the realization that your son had his future robbed from him and that you have had your son's future and future grand-children stolen from you. Hard work is knowing that there are so many people in this world that have prospered handsomely from your son's death.

George, I must confess that I and my family worked very HARD to re-defeat you this time, but you refuse to stay defeated. Well, we are watching you very carefully. We are going to do everything in our power to have you impeached for misleading the American people into a disastrous war and for mis-using and abusing your power as Commander-in-Chief. We are going to scream until our last breath to bring the rest of our babies home from this quagmire of a war that you have gotten our country in to: before too many more families learn the true meaning of Hard Work. We know it is going to be an uphill battle, knowing how Republican Congress is, but thanks to you, we know the meaning of Hard Work and we’re not afraid of hard work at all.

The 56,000,000 plus citizens who voted against you and your agenda have given me a mandate to move forward with my agenda. Also, thanks to you and your careless domestic policies, I am unemployed, so this will be my full-time job. Being your political downfall will be the most noble accomplishment of my life and it will bring justice for my son and 1125 (so far) other brave Americans and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis your lies have killed. By the way, George, how many more innocent Iraqis are your policies going to kill before you convince them that you are better than Saddam? How many more of their cities are you going to level before you consider that they are liberated? If you really had any moral values, or if you were an honorable man at all you would resign. My son was a man who had high moral values and true courage. Humanity lost a bright light on April 04, 2004. I will live the rest of my life missing Casey desperately. Thank you for that, George. Have a nice day.


God Bless America!! We surely need it!

Cindy Sheehan
Broken hearted mother of a True American Hero: Spc Casey Austin Sheehan, KIA 04/04/04 Sadr City, Baghdad

http://www.angelfire.com/sk3/spkhntrca/Casey.html

I need not do; because it's obvious he hasn't asked any. Especially about what happened leading to it. And the answers of those questions points back to a certain administration that had heard the warnings and did nothing. And that ain't the Clinton administration.

"If you don't think like I do, then you don't deserve to live."


Just so happens I have his picture right here......

Ignorant bastard.

beautiful picture in a Pot Liqour kinda way. he looks like brad pitt in that movie with juliette lewis and david duchovney -- Kalifornia.

guys like this -- hyper-macho in whatever manifestation -- i can't help to think their politics has to do with how bad their father beat them. the worse they got beat, the more they strive to be more of a hardass than their tyrant fathers.

Well now, you solved that debate as to whether the Nazi's were right wingers.

of where conservative hatespeech sounds like Nazi propaganda messages, just with the word "liberal" replacing the word "jewish."

I'll add his comment to my Fight Fascism web page

http://ediablo.com/FightFascism.html

You know, people make a big deal out of extremists on DU, but they don't hardly say shit about the extremists on Free Republic. I find that to be hypocritical.

If any liberal loses his/her cool and speaks something 10% as offensive as the average Coulter rant, then it is PROOF POSITIVE LIBERALS ARE DANGEROUS EXTREMIST KOOKS!!!

Coulter, of course, can say that the best way to talk to liberals is with a baseball bat, and two days later the only mention to that is in DU and lefty blogs.

He wasn't at all. I'd say that's pretty damn important when weighing the option to go to war with Iraq. There was no reason for war, there were a variety of non-war options at least one I know of would have resulted in his removal through international means.

Instead, we went in under the guise of WMDs, which weren't there, to attack a country that didn't even have the power to attack it's neighbors (who didn't support the US's efforts either), killed thousands of innocent civilians and destroyed the majority of diplomatic ties with the rest of the world.

Not to mention the aggression we have shown in the middle east has made those that hated us there hate us all the more, giving them more personal justification to attack us. I certainly hope they do not, but you can't act surprised if a bee stings you after you throw rocks at the hive.

Supporting the wrongful Iraq war (for a variety of reasons) that results in the deaths of American soldiers means you support their needless deaths. It means you support action that results in plausibly and possibly more terrorist attacks. If that doesn't count as treason, then there's something seriously wrong with everything.

operational(I think "complicit" was the word he meant to use, because just because somebody was operational does not indicate involvement).

This guy apparently has forgotten that the one responsible for 9-11 is still running around. He doesn't want to get into whether "sadman" was operational or not. So, this means he doesn't care that the 1500 troops have died for a lie, and he doesn't care that Osama is still about. He really must have forgotten about 9-11.

It's an American tradition to dissent. I have a feeling that freeper would love being a part of the SS back in WWII.

I have an interest in military memorabilia, and gun shows are a great place to see and buy some very interesting things. One time someone even had an authentic WWI German helmet for sale with the spike on top still attached. There are also lots of cool patches, badges, flags etc. to be seen and purchased.

Now, I don't think I'm in error to say that most people who go to that sort of thing are Republicans, and that some of them are probably the type who would find a home on FR. One time the NRA was giving away free M1 Garand rifles (WWII and Korean War US infantry rifle) at the door for a year membership.

Having set the stage, let me tell you that those places overflow with Nazi memorabilia. These include, but are not limited to, SS daggers, SS insignia, swastika armbands, books from Nazi authors (including copies of Mein Kampf), Nazi party badges and pins, and anything and everything with a swastika on it. Now some people probably just collect those sort of things for fun, but I've noticed that a lot of them have an unhealthy obsession with that sort of stuff. Now, everybody has their interest sections. I once met someone there who collected mostly memorabilia from the Austro-Hungarian empire. Of course there's nothing offensive about Austria-Hungary, unless you're a radical Serbian nationalist! But I digress... I'm not saying these particular types are Nazis, but they do seem to like that stuff a little too much.

I think their fascination with that sort of Nazi memorabilia has more to do with their nostaligia for the 'glory days' -- they seem to crave that black/white, battle of good/evil, us/them environment. Some people *need* a clear enemy to feel better about themselves.

Why isn't there a comparable amount of Soviet memorabilia?

If that were the case I'd expect them to be collectors of American/Allied artifacts of the period, rather than collectors of enemy artifacts.

Disclaimer: I know plenty of amateur historians who collect Axis stuff for completely non-political reasons. And I could imagine one of them going to a gun show. So there *might* be an innocent explanation...but somehow, I don't think there is.

Tucker

What Became of Conservatives?
by Paul Craig Roberts
I remember when friends would excitedly telephone to report that Rush Limbaugh or G. Gordon Liddy had just read one of my syndicated columns over the air. That was before I became a critic of the US invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration, and the neoconservative ideologues who have seized control of the US government.

America has blundered into a needless and dangerous war, and fully half of the country’s population is enthusiastic. Many Christians think that war in the Middle East signals "end times" and that they are about to be wafted up to heaven. Many patriots think that, finally, America is standing up for itself and demonstrating its righteous might. Conservatives are taking out their Vietnam frustrations on Iraqis. Karl Rove is wrapping Bush in the protective cloak of war leader. The military-industrial complex is drooling over the profits of war. And neoconservatives are laying the groundwork for Israeli territorial expansion.

The evening before Thanksgiving Rush Limbaugh was on C-Span TV explaining that these glorious developments would have been impossible if talk radio and the conservative movement had not combined to break the power of the liberal media
<snip>


more...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts81.html

nor have the other New Yorkers, and in case the freepers have forgotten, we voted blue.

who have always hated New Yorkers and also Californians.... yet after 9/11 they care so much about New York....whatever

If they really cared about New York...or anywhere in the world for that matter they would have voted democrat.

they're insane, you know

Then again, doing our "patriotic duty" maybe this guy should be reported for terrorist threats. Publicly announcing that half of the citizens of the United States should be shot, shouldn't be taken lightly. I bet he is a "God fearing Christian" too.

I'd bet this guy considers himself to be a "good christian soldier".....

Falwell would be proud of this lil chap.....

that's endemic in the reactionary-right in the U.S.A.

that way we could shoot at anyone wearing swastikas or other nazi paraphernalia.

Mass killing of a group of people because they don't think exactly like you do.

What a new and exciting concept...! How could anything bad come of that?

(the things you a google up!!!:evilgrin: )

what's so intimidating about a smiley in a cave with a Baby Ruth?

for war crimes.

Our Freeper friend has overlooked one important fact: invading Iraq had nothing to do with what happened on September 11. They knew Saddam was a paper tiger and had ulterior motives for the invasion. It was colonial piracy and nothing else.

Is that some sort of freepish code for "I'm an idiot"?
:shrug:

Jim Gibbons, R-Nevada: Gibbons noted that some anti-war activists had said they wanted to go to Iraq and become human shields for the enemy.

"I say it's just too damn bad we didn't buy them a ticket," Gibbons said.

link: http://www.elkodaily.com/articles/2005/03/05/news/local/news4.txt

My reply:

"You are right. If we are going to do this, I believe we should look the Third Reich as a model. Hitler also sought to execute a certain segment of the population, maybe we should follow his methodology. First, we can drive all liberals into ghettos. Then we can easily round them up into concentration camps. Then, liberals in the gas chambers. It is really very efficient."

Would it be obvious I was fucking with them, or would they think I was one of their own?

; )

"Liberals who don't support the war are Un-American", and other shit like that. OK freepers, here it is. I will try and keep it simple, stupid, aka KISS(with apologies to the rock band). I was born in Illinois, which was a part of the USA the last time I checked, now live in Iowa, which was also a part of the USA last time I checked, vote in every election, do volunteer work to help out my fellow citizens, belong to a Labor Union, pay taxes, and love the USA. Now just how in the hell does that make me un-American just because I disagree with 99.9% of what bush and co. have done? I am not opposed to fighting back when provoked and in fact, supported the invasion of Afghanistan, because there seemed to be a lot of evidence the Bin Laden was there. I hate Bin Laden and would willingly kill him myself if given the chance. I hope all this doesn't make freepers heads explode, because having said all of the above, I am still a Liberal. I happen to be against the Iraq invasion, becauser there was, and is, no reason at all for it. I happen to be against my jobs and money being taken overseas. I guess that makes me un-American. One more thing, any lurking freeps, I can defend myself very well, so in the words of your president, "Bring it on".

Sad for them.

When concern for truth in government, integrity, justice, humanity, and vocal dissent over government policies can be considered "anti-American," this country has become a sad shell of its once great self.

is that it looks like certain people are winning this war for defining American as a conservative (preferably white and Protestant). These people I speak of think it means not valuing diversity.

If that's what being an American is about, then I'm not an American.

I'm not longer playing this ridiculous game of "America is everybody's country". As of lately, I think the case has been made that America is the country for only certain types of people. That makes me feel like woman chasing a man who doesn't want me. If America doesn't want people like me, then I won't chase it by claiming to be a patriot. I'm going to play hard to get for once, thank you very much.

Perhaps I'll realize that I'm wrong and change my mind one day. I put far more importance on solidarity with all of humanity than I do patriotism though, and I personally feel like American patriotism is often conflicting with what's the most important to me. Perhaps I'll change my mind one day and find a way to make both values co-exist again. Right now, I'm actually happy the way I am. I'm not hating America, but I won't chase after it either.

But I suspect very few of them really have.

It reminds me to be thankful I am not filled with hatred---What a sad existence he must have.

this attitude is very prevalent.

Right-wing radio speaks directly to these people and ushers these people into these horrific, sociopathic attitudes.

The right has done an excellent job of making "liberalism" a dirty word. Now they're objectifying and creating hate for "liberals".

Into what exactly, is the right wing hoping to parlay this hatred for liberals?

We're being demonized so vociferously--for a purpose.

What is it?

you moronic sociopaths. Are Freepers really this irretrievably stupid? Facts simply mean nothing to the skewed world-view.

:eyes:

when he's posting from his mommy's basement in between jacking off to nazi porn and jacking off to the RNC web site.

What an Asshat...

RL

Even if we can manage to win the election in 2008, how badly damaged are the psyches of both political sides?

Ya know, when Zell Miller finished his rant at the RNC last August, I was bawling. I was grieving because even if we could have won the election for Kerry, that Repugs are so filled with hate, they'd do everything they could to take him down & not allow him to do any good for the country - that it would be Clinton Redux.

I really think sometimes that we're too badly fractured to return to any form of a peaceful place, and that sorrows me to no end.

wearing a uniform is not the issue, since lottsa' nazis wore them too.

that idiot does not even care who attacked the US as long as he can boast of some ass-kicking.

the guy is a fucking nazi who does not understand anything about america and what it stands for. he is in fact an enemy of all this country stands for; freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom to have an opinion not of the mainstream.

freedom only matters when the minority expresses their opinion.

sunk costs in stubbornness
comfortable lies

It is so simple to just change ones mind

Elevate the DeBate!

Logical fallacies in the 21st century

Exposing the echo-echo 'sham'ber of the Republican Media Complex

Baiting? OR DeBating??

The debate is being conceded because the republicans simply to not know how or WANT TO DEBATE.

TO ALL WHO KEEP STATING THEIR OPINONS, that it’s all just “sour grapes”, THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO SYSTEMIC ELECTIONS FRAUD IN THE U.S., WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS? WHY DON’T YOU EVER PRESENT PROOF OF YOUR ALLEGATIONS??

SINCE WHEN IS AN OPINION MORE VALID THAN THE THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF DATA AND DOCUMENTED FACTS THAT PROVE IT WRONG? Where are your minds??? IF YOU CAN PROVE THERE WAS NO SOLID EVIDENCE OF ELECTIONS FRAUD, DO IT. IF NOT, WAKE UP!!

TELLING THE SAME LIES OVER AND OVER DOESN’T MAKE THEM TRUE: IT JUST MAKES THEM BORING AND TIRESOME. IF YOU CAN’T PROVIDE ANY FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR OPINIONS, MAYBE YOU NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHY YOU HOLD ON SO TIGHTLY TO THOSE OPINIONS, EVEN WHEN THERE IS AN OVERWHELMING BODY OF EVIDENCE, SOLID, HARD FACTS, THAT PROVES THEM WRONG?

The persistent inability to change one’s views when confronted with solid proofs that those views are in error is one of the key, defining characteristics of mental illness and/or personality disorder.

http://www.bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5384

Asked by Eric Boehlert whether the neocon attack on the press is a way to eliminate a national point of reference on facts, Ron Suskind responded:

Absolutely! That's the whole idea, to somehow sweep away the community of honest brokers in America -- both Republicans and Democrats and members of the mainstream press -- sweep them away so we'll be left with a culture and public dialogue based on assertion rather than authenticity, on claim rather than fact. Because when you arrive at that place, then all you have to rely on is perception. And perception as the handmaiden of forceful executed power is the great combination that we're seeing now in the American polity.

Ad Hominem
Ad Hominem Tu Quoque
Appeal to Authority
Appeal to Belief
Appeal to Common Practice
Appeal to Consequences of a Belief
Appeal to Emotion
Appeal to Fear
Appeal to Flattery
Appeal to Novelty
Appeal to Pity
Appeal to Popularity
Appeal to Ridicule
Appeal to Spite
Appeal to Tradition
Bandwagon
Begging the Question
Biased Sample
Burden of Proof

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

"The mind has its illusions as the sense of sight; and in the same manner that the sense of feeling corrects the latter, reflection and calculation correct the former."
Source: Pierre Simon, Marquis de Laplace, A Philosophical Essay on Probabilities (Dover, 1952), p. 160.


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"Without a popular assembly taking an effective part in the government and publishing its debates, and without free discussion through the medium of the press, there is no demand for fallacies. Fallacy is fraud; and fraud is useless when everything is done by force."

Source: Jeremy Bentham, Bentham's Handbook of Political Fallacies (Apollo Editions, 1971), p. 246.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/


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I believe the people will do more to promote Peace than governments,
and one of these days better get OUT OF THE WAY and let them have IT- many days AGO by Ike Eisenhower

There is one thing more powerful than all the armies in the world...,
and that is An Idea whose Time has Come-anonymous

If threatening the murder of millions and encouraging others to get involved isn't is clear cut case of someone promoting terrorism, then I don't know what is.

what an asshole

like USS Alaska, and don't know fact from fiction. They user bully-like tactics with threats of brutal death. People with this way of thinking are dangerous.

I'd like to see it for myself.

In any case, the stupid redneck can bring it on as far as I'm concerned. I don't believe in hurting anybody, but if somebody were to try to hurt me for being a liberal, then I can be as mean as them.

Fortunately, most conservatives are not like this.

Couldn't we take up a collection?

They voted overwhelmingly for Kerry.

The people of Washington DC haven't forgotten 9-11.

They voted overwhelmingly for Kerry.

The people of our largest cities - the cities that are most at risk of a terrorist attack - haven't forgotten 9-11.

Almost all of them voted overwhelmingly for Kerry.

The urban, liberal cities in our country are the places most at risk in this country. Not the rural, conservative areas. Not the suburbs.

Yet they voted against Bush. Shouldn't that tell you something?

If they - the most likely victims of terrorism - thought that Bush were keeping them safe, you couldn't keep them from the polls to vote for Bush. Yet they voted for Kerry. Riddle me that.

When they come for me, I will be prepared.

and he taught me from a very young age how to handle a gun properly. My 16th birthday present was a 28-gauge shotgun so I could bird hunt with him. If those fuckers come for us, I WILL be ready, and they will scatter like the cowards they are.

You're right about liberals becoming gun owners--we may need it.

attitude. "1500 deaths are regrettable?" Tell that to the families of the young men and women that have DIED, you jagoff, and see how long you survive before they tear you to fucking pieces!

Ya' got no legs? :shrug: Sorry! = "Wounded"

"Oh, I see you're still alive. Perhaps you weren't really TRYING, no?"

HE should be in prison

guess he never heard of it. Or of freedom of speech.

Please PM me.

thanks