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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:46 PM
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As if we didn't need another reason to dislike J-LO
J. Lo knows what animals who are killed for their skins endure-PETA has contacted her with letters and videos no less than a dozen times. Lopez may try to convince her fans that her rabbit-trimmed jackets are a must-have, but what she won't tell you is that bunnies killed for fur coats scream as they are skinned alive! Whether they're trapped in the wild or raised and killed on fur farms, animals used for their skins endure prolonged, painful, early deaths.

Through the years, Lopez has worn the skin of just about every animal imaginable, from foxes, who are bludgeoned to death and often skinned alive, to small, gentle chinchillas, who are killed by electrocution or have their delicate necks snapped and 100 of whose skins are required to make just one coat. As if wearing hundreds of dead animals weren't enough, in her first catwalk collection for her clothing line, Sweetface, Lopez proved that she is anything but sweet when she featured grisly garments made of white fox and mink. Lopez may try to market this line as "high end" and all about the "bling," but there is nothing upscale or elegant about how the original owners of these coats met their gruesome deaths.

Most people agree that wearing fur is wrong. Please don't support Jennifer Lopez or her bloody business. Many hot designers, including Stella McCartney, Vivienne Westwood, Todd Oldham, Marc Bouwer, and others have turned their backs on fur and created synthetic alternatives that are hip, humane, and easily available and don't turn animals into fashion victims.

Write to J. Lo and tell her that promoting the violence of the fur industry is a low-down, dirty, rotten shame.

Jennifer Lopez c/o BWR
9100 Wilshire Blvd., 6th Fl. W.
Beverly Hills, CA 90212


http://www.jlodown.com/


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pie Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:50 PM
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1. Very good.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:54 PM
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2. Back in the conspicuous consumption 80s in Boston
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 08:54 PM by Warpy
when all the chic young things were draped in fur, I slogged off to Chinatown, bought the material, and made myself a stunning fake fur coat.

It's so stunning, in fact, that it invariably gets me dirty looks from the PETA crowd when I wear it. I answer sneering "How many animals were butchered for that coat?" by telling them I didn't know, since they'd been dead since the cretaceous period.

I do wish PETA members could tell the difference between pet and petrochemical. It would make life easier on cold days.

(and no, I don't approve of slaughtering animals for their pelts, although in the US it's done more humanely than the description above)
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 08:59 PM
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3. But I hope you understand the disgust with fur.
*disclaimer: I'm not a member of PETA, not a donor of PETA, etc. even though I am a vegan who believes in animal rights

But you have to understand the disgust that is felt towards those that wear fur, so why is there a need to wear fake fur? And regardless of how it's done "humanely" (which really isn't true) in the US, who are we to skin animals when perfectly good synthetic and other fabrics are available to keep us warm?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:07 PM
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4. Have you ever been through a Boston winter?
That fake fur coat kept me warm when no combination of down and Thinsulate ever had.

THAT is why I made it.

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Berserker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:28 PM
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6. Just a question
where does this skinned alive! Bullshit come from? PETA?
My family and some friends trapped animals for their fur when I was growing up and I was always against it. I had and argument once with my father about trapping and he said when he did it back in the 30s and 40s he did it to feed his family.
I went many times with my older brother trapping Muskrats in Iowa. One time as I stood on the bank of a stream I watched as my brother went into the ice cold water to kill a Muskrat with a club because the Muskrat was still alive in the trap. As my brother approached the Muskrat the Muskrat stood up on his hind legs and covered his head with his front paws as though he knew what was going to happen.
As I said I do not believe in trapping but I have seen hundreds of fur bearing animals trapped and NONE were ever skinned alive. As for people that don't believe in wearing fur that is there option. I also don't want to see the ones that bitch about it wear leather belts or use leather purses or billfolds and wear leather shoes while driving home in their leather upholstered car seats to their leather couches.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:39 PM
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7. Skinned alive happens
Edited on Fri Mar-04-05 09:42 PM by Qanisqineq
It may not be as common here in the US as in other countries (China for example), but it happens. In fact, I've seen video of it being done and the video was not filmed by, produced by, or even sponsored by PETA.

Edit: And most leather comes from cows that are killed for their meat. The cows are not simply killed for their skin.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:02 AM
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18. Funny you deny that this is even possible
simply because of it's source, and your self-induced delusion because of it.

Yes, you've never seen it, so it never happens. Brilliant!

And no leather belts, wallets, car upholstery nor couches here.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:23 PM
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5. Aretha Franklin also likes full-length furs.
Why not bash the godmother of soul while you're at it.

I wouldn't wear fur, I think it's tacky, and don't agree with it philosophically. But it's not illegal, and bashing one performer out of many who wear fur seems rather silly and isn't going to cause a ban on raising and killing animals for pelts.

If that's what you want, lobby your legislature.

And no, I don't hate J. Lo anymore than any other spoiled, vapid pop star.

My Mom has a mink, and I don't hate her either.

But hey, it's a free country. have at it if you want. By the way, don't forget sean Puff P. Diddy Daddy Combs. He lives for furs.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:16 PM
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24. The reason Lopez is being targeted
is because she has started a new clothing line that features a lot of fur. That should be clear if you read the original post.


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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:41 PM
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8. Why has this forum become so celebrity/corporate-like?
AOL asks the same fucking stupid questions.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:47 AM
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23. This has nothing to do with celebrity worship.
This has to do with celebrities glorifying cruelty.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 09:44 PM
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9. Do wear or use leather? Are you a vegaterian? NT
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:40 AM
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21. I don't wear or use leather. I am a vegan.
Your point?
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:04 PM
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27. Wanted to know if you were consistent.
While I don't agree with you, I can respect you for being consistent. I really get agrivated at the people who rail against fur while wearing leather and eating meat.

I am against skinning animals alive and needless cruelty, but if they are killed in a humane fashion then I see no problem with eating them and wearing them. This assumes of course that they are NOT endangered species. But I don't have any bad feelings about farm raised animals. I grew up on a farm and ate lots of rabbits as a kid, so I don't see anything wrong with wearing rabbits.
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:27 AM
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10. We will all be wearing
leather and fur of some sort to stay warm when
the amount/price of oil makes synthetics unaffordable.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:37 AM
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11. W.D.D.C.D.?
What Did Davy Crockett Do? :shrug:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:09 PM
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28. He trapped the fur he wore
and wore it as protection against the elements.

Quite a bit different from a conspicuous-consumption luxury item produced by factory farming.

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Chomskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:52 AM
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12. Geez
Aren't there more important reasons not to like J Lo, like the example she is setting for millions of women that if you have a curvaceous body, that's enough. You dont have to be able to talk or think or behave with any self-respect. Just wiggle that butt when you walk.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:14 AM
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13. Sorry i don't hate Jenny. Please prove bunnies are skinned alive.
If you're gonna accuse have proof.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 08:04 AM
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19. Here you go
http://www.jlodown.com/

Warning: the video, should you choose to watch, is frightening.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:42 AM
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22. I posted a link
Did you follow it?
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:55 AM
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14. On a slight Tangent Heather McCartney
(is her name heather I hope so) has been protesting at the EU against people selling furs as fake...when theyre actually made from stray cats and dogs.

She was on television with coats that had been made from cats and one that had been made from 42 alsacian puppies.

I thought Cruella De Ville was fictional....sic
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:59 AM
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15. fur is gross
and personally I think it always looks either mangy or tacky as hell but from my knowledge cattle don't get injected with morphine and sung to their deaths by a choir of cherubic children.

If you dissaprove of wearing fur then surely that dissaproval has to extend to leather - if so then everyone has to wear synthetic clothes which brings in the environmental issues.

I ususally defend PETA in the regular "peta are nutjobs" threads but i see the fur thing as seriously inconsistent in most people - also snapping an animals neck is probably the LEAST cruel way to kill it.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 07:22 PM
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30. Speaking of environmental issues...
What about clean-air activists who smoke?
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:39 AM
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16. I have been a vegetarian for 8 years now.
When I stopped eating meat, I gave all my furs away.
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:13 AM
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20. Bruce Cockburn had an interesting comment...
He was taken to task by somebody for wearing a leather jacket. He replied, "Leather comes from dead animals, and cotton comes from dead people." Think about that one for a minute. Think about where a LOT of textiles come from, especially thanks to outsourcing and the walmartification of the world.

Todd in Beerbratistan
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shockra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 06:53 AM
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17. Well, I hate her now.
I liked her early in her film career. But she's become more and more of a narcissist over the years. In the movie Out of Sight it looked like she would be a solid actress, a rare Latino leading lady, but she diverted her energy into making shallow, unoriginal pop to stroke her own ego. It wasn't anything the world really needed to hear. And no more meaty film roles. Just glamour roles.

I'm glad you posted about her having been contacted by PETA so many times, because I would have chalked her cruelty up to ignorance otherwise. Now I'm just really disgusted that I ever liked her in the first place. I hope this news gets a lot more exposure. I'd like to see her break down ala Kathy Lee Gifford when she was called on her clothes being made in sweatshops because I think she's an awful bitch now.
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candle_bright Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:25 PM
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25. I hate fur
and I have a hard time not feeling ill-will towards people who wear it. Right or wrong, that's the way I feel.

And, I am talking about people who wear fur as a fashion thing, not to stay warm with no alternatives.
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JackieO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 01:30 PM
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26. Sign the petition
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:51 PM
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29. I noticed it's addressed to "Mrs." Jennifer Lopez.
The creator probably should've kept it at "Ms" just so it's still applicable next week. :)
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