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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:27 PM
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Creationists Boycott IMAX Movies in South
http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2005-03-21/

Creationists Boycott IMAX Movies in South


IMAX documentaries that touch on the issue of evolution have been removed by numerous science museums and other venues in Southern states following local protests, the New York Times reported on Saturday. The films include, Cosmic Voyage, Galapagos, and Volcanoes of the Deep Sea. In an interview with the newspaper, Carol Murray, marketing director of the Forth Worth Museum of Science and History, said that the museum had pulled Volcanoes after receiving complaints from members of the audience. She told the Times, "If it is not going to draw a crowd and it is going to create controversy, from a marketing point of view, I cannot make a recommendation." Such decisions to bar screenings of the film are apt to affect the content of IMAX documentaries in the future, the Times indicated. It quoted Joe DeAmicis, vice president of the California Science Center in Los Angeles as saying, "It is going to be hard for our filmmakers to continue to make unfettered documentaries when they know that 10 per cent of the market will reject them."
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:28 PM
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1. people should stop pandering to that 10%
Seriously. Ignore them.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:29 PM
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3. Yep
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:28 PM
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2. Why would fundies be visiting a science museum in the first place?
:shrug:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:29 PM
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4. lol
good point ;)
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:31 PM
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6. they've been making their own "science" museums
I believe I read something where a man was making a museum that- wait for it- PROVED that man and dinosaurs walked side by side.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH!!!
Idiots.
See, science is fun when you lie about it, or pull it out of your ass.
These are the same ignorant asshats who think that dinosaurs died in the flood :eyes:
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:34 PM
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9. walked side by side.
Yeah, T.Rexes made great pets.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:09 PM
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21. Artist's conception drawing


They will not be boycotting The Flintstones apparently.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:31 PM
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5. "...pulled Volcanoes after receiving complaints..."
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 02:33 PM by skypilot
OK, I'm at a loss. What the fuck could they possibly have complained about? Did the movie say that volcanoes had been around for millions of years as opposed to merely 6000 years, was that what did it? (You know the fundies think that the world is only 6000 years old) Because otherwise, I'm scratching my head over here.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:33 PM
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8. Volcanoes killed Terri, that is why
:o
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:33 PM
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7. You know what? Scientists and museums should ignore the irrational
protests of groups of wingnuts. Does the Holocaust museum respond to complaints from Neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers? No, and rightly so.
Natural History Museums should ignore these fuckers.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:35 PM
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10. Can't we just cut these people loose?
I mean, come on. Let them have their own little country and do what they like.

It's f*cking rediculous that these dimwits are taking us all down with them.

david
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:39 PM
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13. Here ya go again, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Yer post tars and feathers the whole region. I take umbrage to that kind of attitude, it is neither factually correct nor productive. It's prejudice, is what it is.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:41 PM
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15. oh no, it's quite productive
These people are responsible for the dumbing down of America.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:55 PM
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19. I'm sorry, I didn't mean cut loose the South
and all the intelligent, valiant liberal fighters down there! I simply mean getting all the closed-minded fundies together and giving them half of Texas or something to be their own little theocracy where they can forbid IMAX and whomever for mentioning anything beyond Creationism and teach abstenance only sex education and abolish taxes.

No, one thing I *really* love about the South is that the fighers are so smart, so funny and so dedicated! I wouldn't want to lose them. Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower are my idols!

Let's just strike a deal with the wackos so we can both be happy.

david
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:16 PM
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22. You see, as one who lives here, the Creationists are a ...
...minority of the population. But we all get painted with the same broad brush by the Noo Yawk Times. It's a damned shame.

It's like a guy I know who just got back from South America. "Jesus," I said, "did you have bodyguards?"

"No," he said. "Despite what the news shows, it is just like here. You have good areas and bad areas, and you don't go to the bad areas." He has traveled a lot overseas, and says, "People everywhere are about the same -- just people."

I could not agree more.

What really irks me is that most Democrats do not see that it was the presidential candidate and the whole "looking down the nose" stance of the party that drove the red state vote to Bush, and so consequently to the Republican Congressmen and state legislators who were also running (since the infrequent voters turned out were in the booth to vote Republican).

If we don't learn this well, we will lose again in '08.

I know LOTS and LOTS of Democrats here who voted BUSH because they could not abide our candidate nor our party's "we don't need to embrace the South to win" mentality. As a volunter, I called lots and lots more who voted Democrat in 2000 who simply flat-out told me, "I cannot vote for John Kerry."

Because I WANT TO WIN, I make it a point to point this corrosive attitude out every time I see it on DU, which is at least once every day I am on here.

Pointing it out has won me a lot of friends. LOL! But if we don't check our attitudes at the door and start thinking about the Big Tent or Big Umbrella, we will lose again...and again...and...
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:34 PM
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25. Great points, of course
and, again, I'm only talking about those who are proposing a very radical agenda and trying to force it on the rest of the country - and they are, as you say, a small minority, even in the south.

I think you're absolutely right as far as embracing the South goes if we want to win. I don't think, also, that it has to mean changing our stance on critical issues. It means we need to find the common ground we have with the people in all regions of the country.

Anyway, I'm glad to have you fighting for the too often maligned region of the nation!

david
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:43 PM
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16. "Let them have their own little country"
Problem is, they already have this one. The catering to this group of people is beyond nauseating.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:36 PM
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11. One of my favorite science movies EVER was called
"Genesis", and I saw it at the Omnitheater at the Science Museum of Minnesota in 1978. Everyone should see it. I also saw a movie there called "Darwin on the Galapagos" which was equally fantastic.

Strict creationists can keep their heads in the sand if they prefer, but I like science.
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:37 PM
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12. BULLSHIT!
It quoted Joe DeAmicis, vice president of the California Science Center in Los Angeles as saying, "It is going to be hard for our filmmakers to continue to make unfettered documentaries when they know that 10 per cent of the market will reject them."

You have NINETY (90) PERCENT of the market and YOU CAN'T MAKE A GO OF IT???

Bullshit.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:40 PM
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14. There is at least 10 percent that hate horror flicks
but they keep making them...

The fact is they are afraid of radical wingnuts shooting them or bombing the theater
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:52 PM
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18. No kidding...
What a completely ridiculous and stupid thing to say.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:58 PM
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20. The margins are very, very tight.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 02:59 PM by mcscajun
more from the original article in the Guardian, emphasis mine:

Superficially, the decision affects only a dozen or so cinemas. But it could have a profound knock-on effect across the world because of the high cost of producing Imax films.

They require special cameras and expensive projectors. The economics of Imax film-making are therefore very tight, and the actions of these southern Imax cinemas will only exacerbate the problem. It is expected that producers will be far less likely to make films that could offend fundamentalists, as the loss of venues in the southern states could be enough to turn profit to loss.


So, it's unfortunately not bullshit, but the fundies' messing with the market does make me crazy!

It was bad enough to have Texas influencing what went into the schoolbooks, but now science centers (SCIENCE. CENTERS!) are going to be turning away Imax films that tell the scientfic truth!?!?! And the result will be changes to science-based documentary films?

I'm gonna start digging the hole to crawl into, and pull the sod back in over me. We're fuckin' doomed. There's no hope for us.
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:18 PM
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23. Sorry, it IS bullshit and if the margins are that tight...
...they need to find another biz. Cuz I know of NO OTHER BIZ where 9 out of 10 people who'd like to patronize it do so, and the biz goes under. It's a laughable statement.

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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:51 PM
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17. Refund their money.
They can donate it to a church that caters to their belief system, without silencing someone elses voice.

Because that is exactly what this is. Religious zealots silencing other points of view. If the museum were to insist that a church not preach creationism on Sunday just IMAGINE the uproar!

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bergamot Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:25 PM
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24. Darn those Presidents Tyler and Polk
I knew that letting Texas into the Union was a big mistake.

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