What is your opinion of someone who doesn't vote.

I just don't understand anyone over 35 who can't be bothered to vote.

:evilgrin:

Seriously, I have a friend who refuses to vote; she doesn't want to bear "responsibility" to for the state of affairs.

I've argued all I can about it with her.

Bad! Get with the program or end up getting governed by your inferiors! Paraphrasing Plato here.

Irresponsible. Ignorant. Idiotic.

Don't Bitch!!!

but don't mind as long as they keep their mouth shut. Opinions are fine but if one won't act on them they are worthless and my time is valuable.

At my worst, like the other day, I try to tell myself I don't care. Bush will steal the next election and I'll just bury my head in the sand and try to live life, maybe in another country. It's been too heartbreaking to watch what has happened to the U.S. these past few years. No one in office or seeking office who even has a chance of getting elected gives a crap about the average American--they only want to fill their own pockets, so why should I bother to vote? However, I snap out of it before too long. My friend won't. She's severly disillusioned about government and everything in general. I don't blame her or get as angry with her as much these days, especially after the latest lies and coverup by the media. It's a vicious circle--we have the government we do because not enough people bother to vote or inform themselves or get angry about murdering innocent people in far off countries or domestic corruption anymore. People don't vote because they're sick of the corruption and have become disillusioned that it makes any difference when Joe Corporate can just buy a candidate--and on and on it goes. Americans refusing to call Bush to task for his incompetence has finally convinced me that a large part of the human race is simply too stupid to survive for very much longer. It's not fair to the people who care, but there are a lot more people sleeping than awake and aware.

But very true.

Humanity might survive, but it will be under a corporate fascist rule. The sheeple will believe what's told to them while believing in the Constitution, unable to put 1+1 together.

How can we wake the people up? Get them to understand? Get them to be REAL Americans and fight this inborn tyrrany? America is starting to follow China in terms of its fascism. But on a corporate level, shrouding itself within the US Constitution. Hah! How long as the constitution been around? Forever. How long has the US government and American entities been faithful to it? Probably never, not completely anyway.

One example is this: We purportedly live in a "free country" with "free speech" yet corporations have sued against, and WON, people creating art (satire or otherwise) about their company: www.illegal-art.org and look for the Visual category and find the Starbucks satirized logo... The Andrew J Epstein one about the Mickey Mouse ripoff is also startling, since the mouse depicted doesn't look a damn thing like Mickey!

Too limited mentally to care about anything beyond what they're going to eat and who they're going to fuck. Other than that, I don't have a problem with it.

If you know the party you want to vote for won't get in, what's the point voting? Eat: Cheese sandwich. Fuck: You! :evilgrin:

Couldn't make it. Just could never get his stuff done in time, all those chef things he couldn't trust anyone else to do.

This time I am dragging him, however. My argument that he can't complain if he didn't vote has worn him down -- he does so love to complain!

absentee, it takes less than a minute and it doesn't have to be on the right day even

...I still think it's an irresponsible way to behave in a world where people continue to die for the right to elect their leaders.

In France voters may be apathetic about their choices, but they turn out. If they don't like anyone, they submit a ballot with no vote on it. That is taking voting seriously. It's a national disgrace that we get mid 30% of voting eligible people to the polls.

And I have an enormous amount of respect for him.

I abhor and will drive you to the polls the next election!!! :evilgrin:

A former friend would bitch endlessly about "those damn libruls" when the topic of politics came up. I'd let him bitch for quite a bit, and then when he had worked up a good lather I'd ask him who he voted for in the last election. Then I'd throw in a quick, oh yeah, that's right, you aren't even registered to vote.

Always made him shut up, especially if there were lots of other people around. I loved it.

But seriously, if you don't vote, you're a sorry excuse for an American. Americans who don't vote cheapen the death of every soldier who ever died for their country.

they just are ......
They don't care about the future
They don't care about America
They just are
They don't care
They don't mind being walked on
They just are
They don't care about wages
They don't care about Justice
They just don't care ....

Haven't we learned NOT to point fingers and call people unpatriotic by NOW?!? You're no better than the Repukes if you do that.

Proud Patriot called those who don't vote unpatriotic because they're not participating in our democracy. Repukes tried to call us unpatriotic because we were participating.

And I don't like PP or Tom DeLay doing it. :shrug:

called people who don't vote unpatriotic, I would temporarily suspend my disdain for him and applaud that particular remark. I would then realize that I had applauded Tom DeLay and go vomit uncontrollably.

Tom DeLay calling Democrats unpatriotic basically for criticizing the president. Simply put, as John Kerry said, the flag and patriotism do not belong to any political party, they belong to ALL americans.

they don't care about the country enough to vote in its elections then they obviously don't care about it enough to be patriots. It's a pretty logical actually

but don't care, 'cause I'm german, anyway.
I don't vote, 'cause there is nothing to vote for. All of our parties, who have any chance to become part of the government, are right-wing neoliberal parties with interchangeable agendas: the greens, the social democrats, the CDU (our republicans). They have destroyed the political culture in Germany and all the people, who voted for the greens or the social democrats as the "lesser evil" have only emphasized this situation.
I'm engaged in NGOs. I guess, if I would live in the USA, I would support Kucinich and if he doesn't become the candidate, I would still vote for Dean, but I wouldn't vote, if any right-wing candidate of the democrats would make it.
In my limited experience, nothing does more harm to liberals and left-wingers than people, who are doing just what the right-wingers do, but with a bit of lip-serving to the left and in a smarter way...
This is, what let usual people turn their backs on politics at all or even become fashists.
Sometimes you have no choice, and it's more realistic to accept this, instead of playing your role in a pseudo-democrazy, where there is nothing for you to decide...
Dirk

when I married him at age 38. He hadn't before. NOW he tells everyone, "If you don't vote, you don't have a right to gripe."

I think they're foolish and they have no right to complain about politics (doesn't stop them though). I was ready to vote at 14 and pissed at all the fools who wasted their votes when I couldn't. I don't think they're stupid, but I do think they're ignorant.

is how they are all so proud of it. At least the ones I know.

They consider themselves the principled ones, since they don't dirty their fingers voting for all of the scum running. And, everyone who runs is scum, of course.

Don't dare suggest that they have no business complaining if they have done nothing to improve the situation. They, unlike you, recognize how hopeless the situation really is, and have even more right to complain.

A very special right to complain. You, the voter, are the biggest part of the problem, since you encourage the scum to run.

:wow:

at least they aren't voting for Bush or Schwarzenegger.

maybe i'm in the minority here, but this is what i think. if someone is so ignorant or apathetic that they don't vote - i'm glad they aren't influencing the outcome of the election. i might wish they'd vote for my candidate or my issue instead, but i have to remember that if could somehow be forced to vote, it'd be a tossup whether they went for my side or the other side.