What bothers me most about Hell - Democratic Underground

Bok_Tukalo

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:27 PM
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What bothers me most about Hell

It is no longer necessary. We are able to be ethical, moral, self actualized individuals without it. We are able to understand the difference between right and wrong without the need of fear of punishment.

Hell (or Heaven for that matter) are the carrot and the stick of a cultural child.

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MisterP

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:30 PM
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1. well, I don't know who to refer to you on that...

Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 10:31 PM by MisterP

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A visual pun! A visual pun! Oh the humanityyyy!

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LostInAnomie

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:36 PM
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2. What bothers me most is...

... that people are so uncreative that they have to use terrestrial means to describe it (fire, pitch, sulfur, pitchforks, etc.). As if an all powerful, all knowing god would be limited to earthly means of eternal punishment.

Oh that and the fact that it is a fairy tale that has kept civilization scared for thousands of years.

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Goathead

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:40 PM
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3. Exactly, Concepts like eternity...

are so abstract that they lend themselves to the incomprehensible. Also, I would never send anybody to Hell so how could God? That would in effect make me more moral than God.

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Bok_Tukalo

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:42 PM
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5. I meant in the secular sense

The concept of eternal torture for any, ANY, individual is morally repugnant, certainly, on its own.

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sendero

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:42 PM
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6. So true...

... if you look at all of the concepts in a certain religion, it is clear they are the constructs of man and not god for that very reason.

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clydefrand

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:41 PM
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4. Bok_Tukalo, a question about your name, please

Earlier this week I went to Lake Wales, Florida where Bok Gardens and bird sanctuary are located along with a carillon tower. I haven't actually visited the site yet, but hope to do so soon.

Any relation to the Mr. Bok who started all of this. He was from Den Helder, The Netherlands. And he was rich!

BTW, I agree with you about the issue of heaven and hell. They are fantasy places made up by people to teach morals of their time, which may or may not be right for today.

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Bok_Tukalo

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:44 PM
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7. No. No relation.

Bok Tuklo (I added the "a") is a family nickname which is a Choctaw to English pun on my last name.

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GoddessOfGuinness

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:55 PM
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9. I saw the Bok Tower when I was a kid...

I remember the sanctuary as a beautiful, peaceful place; and I enjoyed the carillon. There were squirrels all over the place; and they were the cheekiest little buggers you ever saw. When we sat down on a bench, the rodents climbed up on us!

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GreenPartyVoter

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Thu Mar-24-05 10:44 PM
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8. A fan of Kohlberg's principles. May I recommend

Borg's "The Heart of Christianity" to see what the faith looks like when you remove the carrot and stick?

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/liberalchristians.htm

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