Where do you think you're going after death...To hell or heaven?

OK, some will say nowhere...6' under. Sorry that's not a choice!
So let's put it this way...IF there was a heaven and hell...Where do you think you'd be going?

But I try very hard to be considerate, kind and giving to others and try to avoid doing ill to anyone.

expected to do. If not it's going to be a lonely place...and I wouldn't want to be there.

I do think that hadith teaches that those who we are kind to will be our shield from the hellfire.... That kindness toward our fellow humans is better than hollow ritual.

And Allah knows best, and Allah is most mercyful.

:hi:

I make an effort to go to Mosque every Friday. Otherwise, I try to the best of my ability to follow the Five Pillars.

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But see no reason to live in fear because I don't know.

:-)

are figments of imagination.

It is all bullshit.
I am either going to a hole in the ground to be eaten by worms and bugs, or incinerated in a firebox.
Just like the rest of you.

VN vets 101st airborne ashau valley

Which is my belief.

There may some in between time to reassess.

Then on to the next life.

Life after life, until we get it right.

for us Buddhist.

Buddhist don't believe in Heaven, or at least, don't want to go there.

...If you accumulate more Good karma than Bad Karma. I you don't (accumulate more Good Karma), you are reborn as a lower form of life, like an animal (Rat, Dog, Cat, Pig, Goat, etc.)or if you are basically rotten, you are reborn as a Hungry Ghost. If you are just EVIL (like Cheney, *, Tom Delay) you are sent to Burn in Hell for all eternity, or at least it seems that way.

Here's an article, if you're still interested, but a word of warning, it took me about 3 years of near constant study to begin to understand it.

the second paragraph is where most of the explanation starts.

<http://www.tibet.com/Eco/eco8.html>
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If you could describe these places in detail and also point them out on a map I could talk it over with a travel agent.

Barstow is Hell on Earth.

therefore I can't go there - life is so simple for me :D

You don't believe there is a hell, but you have scripture on your signature.

And you know what?, every reference Jesus made to a "Hell" was describing a state of mind here on earth. He was describing the place where evil people reside - and it is a place created in their minds. Hell is here on earth - there is no pain after death - only a physical body can cause pain. And my expression in my signature applies especially to those who wish to experience the "hellfire" during their horrible existences here on earth, for "he who lives by the sword, shall die by it".

But I know I try to treat people how I'd like to be treated, I have my flaws, but I try to be a good person.

I'm not religious though, I'm spiritual.

I personally believe in reincarnation though, but that's just because I can't see being able to handle paradise.

...and go back to it.

I can deal with that.

We line up in our beliefs almost exactly; I also believe in reincarnation, but I do believe I could handle paradise...I definitely try to treat people as I want to be treated. Of course, I don't always succeed...Definitely spiritual!

:hi:

:toast:

I have varying beliefs at different moments in time. I wanted an idea what other liberal DUer's thought.

I'm going to Summerland.

...ever comes back from the dead to complain that they got swindled, maybe I'll convert from atheism.

Atheists?

I, personally, am an agnostic...

A lot like UFOs... It seems very plausible that UFOs are real - but I have never seen one. God, etc, - never seen it/him/she myself...

So, in the mean time, I just try to be a good person...

But I don't think I need any deities to be a good person.

Sorry, but I don't believe UFO's are real, either. As some comedian said: "The best evidence of intelligent life in the Universe is that they HAVEN'T tried to contact us yet." ;-)

Here's a website you might like to check out:

http://www.skeptic.com

or not know if UFO"s are real or not...

As once said - 'It would be truly amazing if are other 'beings' in the universe - equally amazing if there is not".....

Hell Michigan. Beyond that I know of no other Hell you could be refering to.

Goddess knows, maybe I will do better next time.

as it is not populated by Republicans, fundamentalist Christians , Taliban, Communists, Authoritarians, or anyone employed by Fox News.

ask any VN vet of conscious..
VN was hell..the lack of welcome home and the rejection by your fellow citizens...made hell last!!

wrong everything.

3 million dead, both sides.. you somehow never hear that stat.

In the same order of magnitude as WW1... 8 million dead.

you surely never hear that comparison.

we went kill-crazy as policy .. official policy.

A wonder any viets are still alive today. We owe reparations to them.

their getting cancers as are my VN Vet comrades..
Vietnamese are kind , loving people..they forgive us..we should follow their example..

traitors and chikenhawks should get the hottest places in hell

occupant bush is both and so is his chikenhawk traitorous family

ole man deliberatety ditched that plane in WW II..many pilots talked about him that day..he avoids any reunions of the US carriers that were there that day..
bush crime family syndicate = red,white and blue-blooded traitors

SP/5, USARV HQ, Long Binh, Class of '69

I processed in on 4/11/69.

I remember rocket attack there and hiding in bunker without weapon.

I went to NCO club and a Philllipino band sang: " In this valley..they say we are going."

I was in the Ashau valley in May ...scary!!

Lots of VN Vets on DU today.

Welcome Home to you Brother!

may we achieve peace in our lifetime!!

We got rocketed an average of twice a week that time of year. April was the month I spent on TDY in Hawaii. (Tough duty, but try going back to 'Nam.) We had the Filipino bands quite often in the NCO club (south edge of post). I vividly remember the teeny-boppers with their white vinyl boots and mini-dresses. Some of them did really good covers. I got to Long Binh about January 4th and left November 14th (Nixon's "Home for the Holidays" early-out program).

worked for me and my pals from MA..
my former CO. {retired maj.} is big disgusted with the coward from crawford.. even voted for kerry.. BUT he cannot listen to these chikenhawks jumping up and down and demanding more blood..
I wonder if they are vampires??

where is buffy? oops she's a repub..

My little bro enlisted in the Marines to go to Viet Nam in 1968 after high school, even though he had a scholarship to college; I protested the Viet Nam War from the beginning! That is not to say that I didn't support my brother and his comrades in the jungle! My protests were against our government who LIED to us then, just as they are doing now, on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq...My peace march protests were for my brother and his comrades, to end the war and bring them home! I have read of VN vets stating that they were dishonored and even spat upon by the peaceniks when they returned to the US. I have NEVER EVER known, or heard of, anyone, who ever spat on our brothers and fathers returning from VN! We honored them! Our peace marches were AGAINST the government,(who lied to us), and we were trying to get our brothers and fathers home in one piece!

P.S. My brother survived the Khe Sanh seige! That was a very tough time for his family, as well as he and his brother Marines!

War is built on lies..Truth is first casualty in any war..

I protested in 4/24/71 when kerry threw his medals..

Khe sahn was 77 days of hell..

I do know some VN Vets who were harassed at airports..some very gross incidents and yes some were spat upon..


The spat upon issue is big debate for some VN Vets as Nations Tom Heyden wrote article last yr and said they were not spat upon.that is pure propaganda and we have VN Vets here ready to bring out this lie...heyden interviwed one VN Vet who wrote book calling the spat upon vets as myth makers.. BUT some were spat upon and its no myth.

VN remains the most controversial war in history..

Jane Fonda kinda apologized in MSNBC interview on 3/31..
it was on thier site on 4/1

Thank you gain fro your kind words..

And "thank you for your service".
I'm sorry it was such hell.

I organize lots of VN Vets activities and one of the best is going to speak at the local H.S. about VN..students LOVE the truth..
WAR is a racket..Always has been !!

I am against all wars that benefit wall st. and the international bankers.which mean's I am against all wars..
I think that there are no real enemies ..only what the govts create..
Russia and China are scary but they aslo have to depend on bankers {and deceit } to keep the arms industry going...But I am not a Pacifist...just against the Masters of war..

[My wife by the way was born in russia and grew up under the Iron Curtain ,thinking that the USA would nuke em. same lies that we were fed.UNreal!!}

Well, the sinners are more fun. Billy Joel didn't just make that one up.


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University of Rochester School of Medicine-Department of Anatomy :)


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I'm sorry. I only looked at the poll, but didn't read your post that went along with it about not saying neither.

Okay, IF there is a heaven & hell, I voted to give myself a 50/50 shot.

In the words of the immortal WC Fields:

"All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia."

And a good mixture of real people.

And I sure as hell don't act like it often enough. (meaning taking risks and doing good works, not being an arrogant jerk) I don't feel the trust in God, but that is probably because my faith is weak.

I god values intelligence, humor, and values... probably heaven
if he values conformity, faith, and unquestioning obedience... i'm going to hell.

I went to Christian school growing up and they beat me so much that after a while I decided I didn't want to spend eternity with them. I've been doing the opposite of what they said was right ever since just to ensure I don't have to. I am against racism. They had a special pta about the black kid that wanted to enroll. They ended up finding a loophole to keep the kid from enrolling. I've made sure I have encouraged discouraged black people to get an education. The preacher said "If you don't have a father, you don't belong to God, because being born out of wedlock makes you the lieral spawn of Satan" based on Deuteronomy 23:2 - "No bastard shall enter the assembly of the LORD; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the LORD.

I was already a bastard when I was born out of wedlock, so I didn't have to do anything to earn that point against me.

I don't know enough Jewish people to form a nasty opinion toward them, but according to the same principal who was also the preacher of the church, Jews are the literal spawn of Satan too.

There are tons of other examples of things I go against to ensure I don't have to spend eternity with that bunch at least. It makes things difficult later in life when you were raised in the Christian Identity movement. I wish DU Christians who seem to be the opposite in most cases could understand that. Many don't though. Unfortunately. Did you know they make the white robes the KKK wears in kids' sizes? Interesting factoid there. Thought I'd share.

Blacks were cursed by their skin color by the death between Cain and Able. The Catholic Church was the church of Satan, and the Pope was his instrument. People really like to play with kids minds. In the meantime, in 4th grade square dancing was taught. A Nazarene girl set on the sidelines because her religion didn't approve of dancing.

or anywhere were sins at the school I went to. Also, men who let their hair grow long enough to touch the top of their ears were sinning and women were supposed to wear dresses or skirts only. If the length of the dresses ever let the knees show, it was a sin. I could think of a million odd things that were sins at school when I was little. I wouldn't want to spend eternity with THEM. You know? It's too much.

Noah was a descendent of Seth. Therefore Cain's descendents didn't survive the Flood. So if that was where skin color came from, it wouldn't be around today.

And the Mormons I knew growing up told me a different theory. It was regarding the war in Heaven where 1/3 of the angels rebelled with Lucifer, another 1/3 remained loyal to Elohim (God), and the last 1/3 refused to take sides. After the war, Heavenly Father sent the rebellious 1/3 to Hell with Lucifer/Satan, and sent the wishy-washy 1/3 to Earth where they were "burned" on the way down, and became black people.

That's how it was explained to me. Though I wouldn't be surprised that the LDS church is backing away from that story now.

as a means of justifying bondage.

....remember how it was before you were born?....that's how it will be after you're dead....easy....hey, but I'm still a good Christian....

Huh? I don't remember before I was born. Is there a method you can share? I'd be willing to try it. Who knows what I might find out?

I've sentenced no one to death, I've never caused bodily harm. I believe we need to share our income to take care of the less fortunate and that our government should have that self-guard and safety net built in. Oh God, Bush has just condemned me to hell for not paying homage to the rich. I'll take my chances with the Lord. Bush isn't God, as disappointing as it is to the Freepers.

I'll know I'm in Hell

possibility of reincarnation -- which means, I'll be coming back again to keep working on improving my soul. Heaven or hell? Too simplistic and too contrive. It's like much of the rest of Christianity -- a religion made in man's image.

I'd say I'm headed there - or at least to the next level of the soul.

I love Jesus so much that it pains me to see what the fundies do to Him - I have cried over this.

I guess dieing and decomposing isn't an option?

in terms of it's relevency to most.

Damn it's like Nov. 2nd all over...I HAVE NO VOTE!!! :) If there were a Heaven, I am sure we would all get there EVENTUALLY. I can't believe that a Creator would punish a person for ETERNITY based on a ripple in time (our lifespan), I don't care HOW bad you are.

Personally, I feel some of us will rejoin the greater spirit, some will come back to learn more lessons, some will be "no more," and others will have other "duties" to attend to. I will admit I don't like not knowing what is next, but I also don't like not knowing which numbers are the "winners" in the lottery! :)

I felt good and all washed clean of sin for the first time I had ever felt so in my life, and I knowed I could pray now. But I didn't do it straight off, but laid the paper down and set there thinking-thinking how good it was all this happened so, and how near I come to being lost and going to hell. And went on thinking. And got to thinking over our trip down the river; and I see Jim before me, all the time, in the day, and in the nighttime, sometimes moonlight, sometimes storms, and we a floating alond, talking, and singing, and laughing. But somehow I couldn't seem to strike no places to harden me against him, but only the other kind. I'd see him standing my watch on top of his'n, stead of calling me, so I could go on sleeping; and see him how glad he was when I come back out of the fog; and when I come to him again in the swamp, up there where the feud was; and such-like times; and would always call me honey, and pet me, and do everything he could think of for me, and how good he always was; and at last I struck the time I saved him by telling the men we had small-pox aboard, and he was so grateful, and said I was the best friend old Jim ever had in the world, and the only one he's got now; and then I happened to look around, and see that paper.

It was a close place. I took it up, and held it in my hand. I was a trembling, because I'd got to decide, forever, betwixt two things, and I knowed it. I studied a minute, sort of holding my breath, and then says to myself:

"All right, then, I'll go to hell"-and tore it up.

It was awful thoughts, and awful words, but they was said. And I let them stay said; and never thought no more about reforming. I shoved the whole thing out of my head; and said I would take up wickedness again, which was in my line, being brung up to it, and the other warn't. And for a starter, I would go to work and steal Jim out of slavery again; and if I could think up anything worse, I would do that, too; because as long as I was in, and in for good, I might as well go the whole hog.

-Huckleberry Finn

Maui so I can swim with the humpbacks for eternity.

there was no category for me to vote in

in detail, and learn upclose the answers to all the unsolved mysteries out there. And not just the history and future of this planet. I mean the whole sheBANG.

Anyway, next to constantly experiencing the greatest possible orgasm, that's my idea of heaven. I don't need no stinkin' body to do it with, either.

I have here and today. Do the best I can - cause no intentional harm
to anyone.

I believe when you pass - you go to the place where you were before you were born.

Or wherever the wind carries my ashes. Haven't decided yet.

Reincarnation: It's making a comeback.

isn't "Pride" number one on the list of the 7 deadly sins?

maybe thems that thinks they knows don't knows so much as they like to think they knows...y'know?

I'm going there... if there is one...because I don't remember doing anything I FELT was wrong or deliberately hurt anyone. I try to treat others as I want them to treat me. That's the most important commandment and it's the only one we really need. Follow that and you'll go to heaven. (ie. I wouldn't kill someone because I wouldn't want someone to kill me etc.etc.etc.) If I don't think something is wrong...then it isn't! There's going to a lot of DUer's up there as fine company. People from Conservative sites have their own special place which we can look down upon. Are all you trolls listening?

heaven or hell. Face it.

That's about it.

OK, not really... 'cause I'm not Catholic and I don't believe the existence of Purgatory is a certainty (nor do I believe the existence of Heaven or Hell is a certainty, for that matter.)

My problem is while I don't think I'm evil or have done many wrongs that would make me deserving of an eternity burning in Hell, I really don't know that I particularly deserve to go to Heaven. I mean, sure if everyone who isn't totally evil (and I have a hard time believing anyone is totally evil) ends up going to Heaven, I guess I'm going, but then how is Heaven much different from Earth? (Well, except for the fact that you don't have to worry about dying.)

So my final answer, I guess, is that I really don't know. Just like I really don't know about religion, I really don't know about the afterlife either, and I probably oughta give up on trying to know either and just deal with it when the time comes. Unfortunately, that seems to be my answer to far too many things...

ie. A Woman knows it's her child and the man believes it's his.
(Sorry...couldn't resist that old one) Well, at lease it used to be true before DNA.

I've been to hell

when I no longer exist.

But I have my beliefs, the net majority of which are the same as Jesus'.

In the end, we simply have to live the best we can in the circumstances given.

...to science. Allowing it to rot in the ground would serve no useful purpose. I would be extremely pleased if scientists would use my brain to figure out the mechanism of severe treatment-resistant depression. It might hold some keys. I hope they are already dissecting the brains of deceased patients with some kind of mental disorder. They also need to start hunting for genetic components.

Anyone who thinks they know is, well, wrong.

That would be heaven for me.

it boggles my mind that so many people cannot accept this

the love had better be flowing freely up there if you know what I mean. :evilgrin:

that's my best guess

I'm going to that island. I'll get to be the insane Frenchwoman's assistant.O8)