Are the Cardinals convening now - or do they wait until after the

Bullwinkle925

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:19 PM
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Are the Cardinals convening now - or do they wait until after the

Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 03:19 PM by Bullwinkle925

funeral services? :think:

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davepc

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:21 PM
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1. Theres a mourning period of about 2 weeks

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Bullwinkle925

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:22 PM
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2. Ahhhhh - so who is leading the church during this time?

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OldLeftieLawyer

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:23 PM
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3. (raising hand, jumping up and down)

Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 03:23 PM by OldLeftieLawyer

Me!!!

ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bullwinkle925

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:27 PM
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5. OKay - you got it!!

What's your first edict?

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OldLeftieLawyer

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Sat Apr-02-05 04:25 PM
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14. ICE CREAM FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!

And peace on earth.

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Bullwinkle925

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Sun Apr-03-05 03:00 PM
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22. OMG - I'm gonna love you as the Pope.

:bounce:

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davepc

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:28 PM
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6. Chamberlain of the Holy Roman Church

who at present is one Cardinal Willebrands, unless my information is out of date.

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MADem

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:42 PM
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11. The staff

The Vatican has a shitload of what might be thought of as "career civil servants." Most are clergy, there are a few lay personnel too. They've been cutting the checks and keeping everything in order all along. The Pope's role is 'big picture'--not 'day to day.' Nothing will change until the end of the conclave, when a new Pope is chosen.

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Historic NY

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:26 PM
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4. A new Pope must be selected within 15 days...by the college of cardinals.

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hlthe2b

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:30 PM
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7. no earlier than 15 days, no later than 21 days is what I've heard.

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jmm

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:32 PM
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8. No, the Conclave must start meeting 15-20 days

after his death. After meeting for 30 days if a 2/3 majority isn't reached a simple majority can be reached but there is no time limit to how long the process takes.

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TexasProgresive

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:36 PM
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9. You guys are all over the place- follow this link-

http://www.catholic-pages.com/pope/election.asp

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Bullwinkle925

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:41 PM
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10. Thanks - that was very helpful.

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MADem

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Sat Apr-02-05 03:47 PM
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12. He skipped a key point (a rather interesting one too)

When he mentioned this bit: When the Pope dies, the Cardinal Camerlengo (currently Eduardo Cardinal Martinez Somalo) must verify the death, traditionally by calling the Pope three times by his name without response.

What he did not mention is that they actually hit the guy on the head with a silver hammer three times, too (not hard, just a tap, ritualistic).

But he hit all the high points in that explanation.

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mcscajun

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Sat Apr-02-05 04:14 PM
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13. They still call his name, but the hammer is out

Has been for some time.

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MADem

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Sat Apr-02-05 05:34 PM
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16. I know it is no longer required....

I've always been of the understanding that while it is not mandated, it is still authorized. They also use the hammer to smash the ring and seal: http://www.ucgstp.org/bureau/wnp/wnp0062/manpope.htm

Every pope has the equivalent of a chief of staff, called the camerlengo. When a pope dies, the camerlengo must first certify that he is indeed dead. The ritual tradition is to strike him on the forehead with a silver hammer, calling his baptismal name three times. An alternative is to place a cloth over his mouth. If he does not respond, the camerlengo declares him dead, authorizes a death certificate and then seals the papal living and working apartments.

Later, the silver hammer will be used to scratch and break the papal ring and seal, so no documents can be forged in his name.

Given that JP2 was a traditionalist, I would not be surprised if his death was traditional in all respects as well. I'm sure we'll know eventually the details of his last moments, after the grief has subsided.

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mcscajun

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Sat Apr-02-05 05:53 PM
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19. Oh you can Bet on that.

Everything surrounding the death of this Pope will be extensively documented. He's the first one to die in the age of the Internet, after all.

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OldLeftieLawyer

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Sat Apr-02-05 04:28 PM
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15. Reminds me of the "symbolic" slap .............

At Confirmation, the Bishop gives each kid a symbolic slap on the cheek, ostensibly to remind them of Christ's suffering, as they are ushered into the Church as adults.

The kid next to me must have pissed off the Bishop or something, because he hammered that kid so hard, I could see his handprint on Eddie's face.

Years later, Eddie's a closeted gay alcoholic who teaches high school in upstate New York, and he's never stopped hating the Catholic Church. Turned out a priest had had his way with him for years when we were little.

Now, I have to wonder what the Bishop knew.

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MADem

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Sat Apr-02-05 05:35 PM
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17. I always found that a disturbing ritual

Do they still do it? I haven't been to a confirmation in eons.

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OldLeftieLawyer

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Sat Apr-02-05 05:55 PM
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20. Neither have I

I sure hope it's not done anymore.

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Atlas Mugged

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Sat Apr-02-05 05:56 PM
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21. Thanks for the informative link

However, I didn't know that the pope and I shared a birthday, October 16th. THAT gave me a fleeting, queasy feeling.

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Radical Activist

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Sat Apr-02-05 05:36 PM
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18. I think they're in spring training

The season will start soon though.

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Sun Apr-03-05 04:20 PM
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23. Season opener: April 5th, Home opener: April 8th

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