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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:56 AM
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Poll question: How to deal with Hummer drivers?
How should Hummer drives be dealt with?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:02 AM
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1. How about mind your own business?
If you care so much, get a law passed outlawing them except for strict business purposes (ie farm equipment). Short of that, if they want to be jackasses, it's still well within their right. Sure, you don't have to accept it, you don't have to like it, but you can't, nor should you do anything the people that own them.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:05 AM
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2. when people drive cars that cost human lives through gas gluttony
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 08:05 AM by imenja
I will mind my business and tell them exactly what I think about it. When Americans are dying in Iraq, it is all of our business. And in the meantime you can either put up with it or grow a conscience.

A sense of humor might help too.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:06 AM
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3. Write on their car dirt just one simple word
COMPENSATING.

It ain't even vandalism, but it gets the point across!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:16 AM
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4. I have both a sense of humor and a conscience.
I also have a little maturity too. There's a right way to do things and a wrong way. Clearly, you need to learn that.

If you want to literally just voice your displeasure, that's fine, but even that draws a fine line. What they do in buying these vehicles is not illegal in any sense. Perhaps if you want to do something, start a grassroots organization to make them illegal.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:42 AM
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15. Funny. Assume I'm rightist because you advocate being a jerk?
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 08:43 AM by Vash the Stampede
Sorry, but I don't bite.

And no, I don't think you're taking action because you immediately played "They're too rich to fight anyway" card.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:02 PM
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23. If you allow a Republican congress to determine what is appropriate
there is something seriously wrong. The biggest impact on automobile production is consumer demand. If public shaming prompts people to think twice about buying an irresponsibly inefficient vehicle, then it serves a purpose.

I find the very notion that I dare not even raise the issue because a Republican congress has note voted it into law to be HIGHLY offensive. You certainly have every right to your opinion, but when you assault my very right to speak, that is unconscionable.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:30 PM
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34. What issue are you raising by harassing individuals?
Really? Your post doesn't do anything except advocate harassment. Sure, it's satire, and that's fine, but you're talking about "raising issues" when you're not doing anything of the sort.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:35 PM
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36. public shaming
liberals need to know it's not okay to drive those vehicles. Seriously, how can a person oppose the war in Iraq and use half that country's oil exports every week? It's absurd. People need to walk the talk.

People respond to peer pressure. Why do you think they buy the horrendous things in the first place? The Hummer company runs TV ads. This is my effort to counter them. If you don't like it, you're free to turn the channel.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:26 AM
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6. yeah, here here!!!...
just don't do anything radical like putting a humorous poll on an internet political board populated by (supposed) liberals because...because...well, uhmmm, WE JUST DON'T LIKE IT!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:27 AM
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9. Maybe I missed the part where I was supposed to laugh...
Yeah, I got the joke - that still doesn't make it funny. It'd be funnier if we didn't get one of these threads every day.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:33 AM
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10. well obviously the fact you're defensive about gas guzzling death mobiles
means you don't find it humorous. I don't see much humor or justification in the coffins being interred in Arlington either, but the insatiable selfishness of American gas consumption is what causes those deaths--and no single vehicle is more wasteful than the Hummer. Ask yourself if that luxury is really worth the loss of 1500 plus American soldiers and untold thousands of Iraqi civilians. THAT is what this is about, whether or not you find this particular bit of satire funny or not.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:36 AM
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11. Please point out where I'm defensive over Hummers?
Oh, that's right, you can't, because I'm not. I'm against them too and I drive a fuel efficient vehicle. Unlike the assholes on the right though, I'm not going to demand everyone follow my guidelines for living. So until we get a law passed banning those complete resource hogs, bitching about the people who own them really isn't doing jack shit, is it?
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:38 AM
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13. so until a law is passed I dare not speak?
how do you expect laws to get passed. Obviously you don't want any such law or you wouldn't object so strongly to my opinions.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:41 AM
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14. Actually, as a member of the Sierra Club, I urge them to take action.
Any other jumps to conclusions?
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:12 PM
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26. so the Sierra club may speak but I cannot?
You have attacked my very right to raise the issue. If it is legal, I dare not speak of it. And you criticize me for behaving inappropriately? This is not a fascist state and I will not abide by your attempts to silence my speech. You express outrage over my satire of Hummer drivers, yet none, in this thread at least, about the thousands of dead soldiers and civilians in Iraq because of this country's rapacious greed for oil, a greed personified in the Hummer itself.


And there is no reason for me to jump to any conclusions. You have made your position entirely clear.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:17 PM
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29. It is not illegal, is it immoral?
Or is that too much like the religious left?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:51 AM
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17. I agree with you. Such a waste of resources is pathetic.
So is our throwaway economy where you throw out the cheap junk instead of repairing it. (A VCR made in 1980; its lifespan was 10-15 years. Today's VCR? 2.)
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:55 PM
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41. all cars cars cost lives in reference to what you're saying
by the way, how do you heat your home?
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:58 PM
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47. obviously, the question is do you try to conserve as best you can
or say the hell of it, the rest of the world be damned. Don't try to pretend there is a difference between automobiles.

By the way, I don't heat my home. But if I lived in a cold climate where I had to, that's a necessity. Driving a vehicle that gets 10 miles an hour for some warped sense of status is not.

Each of us has a responsibility to do what we can to look after this planet and to live as good global citizens. That includes recycling and conserving energy however we can. When it comes time to buy a new appliance or vehicle, energy conservation must be a priority.
Hummers are obscene. And to pretend the selfish indulgence they represent is similar to a necessity to heat one's home to simply stay alive is entirely transparent.

I'm tired of people justifying their own selfish over-consumption. When people choose to waste resources in such excessive ways as Hummer drivers do, they make their values quite clear. The words one mouths mean nothing. Politics need to be put into action on a daily level.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:27 AM
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8. I'm about ready to start stealing their damn ribbon magnets off the back
I would love to find a ribbon magnet that says "I support my troops by driving a hummer so they have to go to war for oil" or something stupid like that.

BTW, I purposely dinged a Hummer car door yesterday although I don't think I made much of a mark. Those hummers do not fit in normal parking spaces and yet there it was - a Hummer parked next to my car taking up all of one space and overflowing into my space. I could barely get my damn car door opened so when I did, I didn't think twice if my door scratched up the damn hummer!!
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:17 PM
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28. Vandal
:evilgrin:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:41 PM
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38. I cannot agree with that.
Hummer or not, I would never purposely ding anyone's car.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:43 AM
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16. does anybody know
approx how many Hummer drivers there are in the US (outside of the military)?

I'm interested in the psychology of Hummer drivers--are they really trying to make a statement about supporting the war and the administration or are they just into macho status vehicles?
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:02 PM
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22. Safer in an accident!
That is what a friend of mine said when she said she'd really like a Hummer if she had the money. My comment to her was yeah maybe safer for you but what about the small family that you kill in the opposing car.

Meanwhile I just bought a hybrid :bounce:
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:29 PM
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33. 15 times more likely to roll over in an accident
high center of gravity = death trap
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:51 PM
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39. good question. And they are becoming far more open on DU
every thread has some defenders. I wonder what has changed to make people feel so emboldened in these choices? And do they simply not care about the war, not think about it, or pretend they share no responsibility for it?
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:02 AM
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19. its not just a "male inferiority complex"
unless you're ready to give a LOT of sex change operations, that option really doesnt apply
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 01:58 PM
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20. there are several other options
it just reflects a frequent comment on DU that Hummer drivers may be compensating for a shortfall in the southern hemisphere.

It's in jest anyway. I don't know why people have taken it so seriously.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:17 PM
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43. i didnt intend to
just making a comment, i wasnt bitching about the message
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 10:49 PM
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44. sorry
after creating what I thought was a funny poll, it started getting flamed by another poster right out of the gate, so I evidently took your comments too literally.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:01 PM
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21. Make the "Little Pee-Pee" sign at them
Yes, the women, too!
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:03 PM
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24. We point at them and then show our shock and disgust
For some reason, this approach seems to have the most affect.
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SuperWonk Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:08 PM
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25. re:
Don't even both to stop and stare... that is just what they want.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:24 PM
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32. and that is the intent of this thread
Not to literally advocate turning them into a human fuel source, as one Hummer defender accused me of. Evidently far too many liberals think it is acceptable to drive those behemoths. It seems to me a little public shaming is in order.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:13 PM
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27. laugh when they are in foreclosure....
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:19 PM
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30. I just roll my eyes
:eyes:

I mean wtf? they're driving on a paved road in the middle of town? Are we going to have a war in downtown Cedar Falls, Iowa that you need to be safe?

I just shake my head and hope they at least contributed to their church or some other charity.

Wasteful!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:21 PM
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31. Improvised Explosive Devices
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:55 PM
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40. Dante had a whole book full of ideas
My suggestion, actually, is to just put gas on a ration. If you can't make it on your ration, you can pay what the market will bear for someone else's unused ration. That seems like an appropriate punishment.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:01 PM
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42. reasonable solution
but it won't happen in this country. Rationing is Godless Communism.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:22 PM
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45. I totally ignore them
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:24 PM
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46. Sugar in the gas tank???
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