For those of you who remember Pope John XXIII

n2mark

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Mon Apr-04-05 08:36 PM
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For those of you who remember Pope John XXIII

where would the church be today if he would have lived longer? He truly was for growth in the church.

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Jack Rabbit

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Mon Apr-04-05 08:55 PM
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1. He was the first Pope I remember

Pius XII was actually pope when I was born.

When Pope John was elected, he was already an old man and expected to be a caretaker pope. He turned out to have been one of the most influential popes of the twentieth century.

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hickman1937

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:01 PM
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2. I remember him. I remember that he was the first Pope

to start to reach out to other relogions, and that he had an incredible sense of humor.

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LSdemocrat

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:20 PM
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3. For those of us too young to remember him, what did he do?

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RevCheesehead

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:25 PM
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5. Second Vatican Council.

"It's time to open the windows and bring fresh air to the church."

Mass held in vernacular, rather than Latin.
Ecumenical efforts, more open to Protestants.
Progressive spirit...

Oh, hell, let the Catholics brag on him. But he was great. :)

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hickman1937

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:38 PM
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6. I know that he was stationed in Istanbul during WW2,

and saved about half a million Jews. The rest I'd have to research. It's been a long time.

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biscotti

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:24 PM
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4. Indeed I remember

He was great and would have been very innovative and liberal. Things could have been so much better in the world today. I still think he was whacked by the old hard line conservatives.

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roguevalley

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:45 PM
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7. the church would have resolved a lot of its problems with him and

I doubt he would have described the pedo-priest problem as 'an American
phenomenon' like John Paul II.

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n2mark

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:57 PM
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8. Here is something for you to read

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_xxiii/encyclical...

The issues that was in his encyclical remains today. We need another John XXIII to put a closure on the changes to occurred.

He was definity a real, true and honest social advocate which we do not have anymore.

He was just so understanding. It is almost like he is talking about our issues today.

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DS1

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Mon Apr-04-05 09:58 PM
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9. Who?

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Lydia Leftcoast

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Mon Apr-04-05 10:42 PM
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10. I was only 13 when he died, but I recall

Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 10:45 PM by Lydia Leftcoast

that a lot of traditional practices were abolished: the Latin mass, no meat on Friday, and fasting for (was it?) 12 hours before mass, and several saints were declared mythical and decanonized.

It's odd that Friday is still "clam chowder day" in restaurants, more than forty years after the no meat on Friday rule was abolished. I wonder how many restaurant menu planners know the reason they serve clam chowder on that day of the week.

Another thing I remember about John XXIII was that he was considered the most approachable and warm-hearted pope in a long time, as opposed to the definitely austere and distant Pius XII (the first pope I remember).

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